1 00:00:06,530 --> 00:00:05,749 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2 00:00:07,639 --> 00:00:06,540 triangle 3 00:00:08,750 --> 00:00:07,649 you know there's explanation for 4 00:00:10,669 --> 00:00:08,760 everything that occurred in the 5 00:00:13,070 --> 00:00:10,679 Rendlesham forest incident it wasn't 6 00:00:16,580 --> 00:00:13,080 involved aliens at all it was completely 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:16,590 silent it comes right over our head it's 8 00:00:20,990 --> 00:00:19,410 sort of classic flying-saucer really 9 00:00:22,759 --> 00:00:21,000 standing in the clearing he turned over 10 00:00:24,050 --> 00:00:22,769 to my father and held his hand and he 11 00:00:30,740 --> 00:00:24,060 looked in his eyes and said we're not 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:30,750 alone welcome to podcast UFO for our 13 00:00:37,850 --> 00:00:34,890 lives and hello show everybody this is 14 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:37,860 not Martin POTUS will enjoy calm unless 15 00:00:42,350 --> 00:00:40,410 he had some sort of changes and in this 16 00:00:44,420 --> 00:00:42,360 world of the UFOs that could be a 17 00:00:47,299 --> 00:00:44,430 possibility anyway you're listening to 18 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:47,309 podcast UFO I am Connie Willis your host 19 00:00:51,979 --> 00:00:49,770 tonight I'm filling in for Martin he 20 00:00:56,060 --> 00:00:51,989 fell off a ladder believe it or not and 21 00:00:58,160 --> 00:00:56,070 he's got a concussion so and he's 22 00:00:59,599 --> 00:00:58,170 supposed to be staying in the dark and 23 00:01:01,490 --> 00:00:59,609 resting even though he hasn't done too 24 00:01:04,100 --> 00:01:01,500 much of that but he did give me a call 25 00:01:07,609 --> 00:01:04,110 because Willis's help other Willis's and 26 00:01:09,410 --> 00:01:07,619 Here I am for you tonight if you are not 27 00:01:12,140 --> 00:01:09,420 sure who I am you've heard me on coast 28 00:01:15,170 --> 00:01:12,150 to coast radio as well as my new show 29 00:01:18,590 --> 00:01:15,180 blue rock talk you can go to blue rock 30 00:01:20,390 --> 00:01:18,600 talk.com it's Earth's most interesting 31 00:01:23,660 --> 00:01:20,400 conversations with Connie Willis yeah 32 00:01:25,969 --> 00:01:23,670 listen to the crowd roar but tonight it 33 00:01:28,010 --> 00:01:25,979 is podcast UFO I really appreciate 34 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:28,020 sitting in here it's always going to be 35 00:01:33,469 --> 00:01:31,130 fun to be on the air and I am 36 00:01:35,330 --> 00:01:33,479 broadcasting from Kentucky Louisville 37 00:01:38,810 --> 00:01:35,340 and our guest tonight is going to be 38 00:01:41,030 --> 00:01:38,820 Joshua P Warren we're gonna be talking 39 00:01:42,380 --> 00:01:41,040 about the Brown Mountain lights also 40 00:01:45,020 --> 00:01:42,390 normally you're used to hearing 41 00:01:49,010 --> 00:01:45,030 Alejandro's right now talk about UFOs 42 00:01:50,359 --> 00:01:49,020 and update some stories and talk about 43 00:01:51,950 --> 00:01:50,369 some interesting things and of course 44 00:01:53,450 --> 00:01:51,960 he's got a really really really good 45 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:53,460 sense of humor so you get to hear that 46 00:01:58,219 --> 00:01:54,890 but I think he's doing something like 47 00:01:59,569 --> 00:01:58,229 tiling his bathroom so you might want to 48 00:02:01,880 --> 00:01:59,579 write him out about that a little bit 49 00:02:05,030 --> 00:02:01,890 but good for him good for him because 50 00:02:06,620 --> 00:02:05,040 it's always fun to decorate especially 51 00:02:08,779 --> 00:02:06,630 bathrooms and kitchens that I think 52 00:02:10,249 --> 00:02:08,789 they're but the most expensive but boy 53 00:02:13,490 --> 00:02:10,259 do they look good when you're done and 54 00:02:13,870 --> 00:02:13,500 it's just so rewarding so have fun out 55 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:13,880 there 56 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:15,530 alejandra I'm sure you're listening or 57 00:02:20,710 --> 00:02:18,650 at least I hope you are Martin wants to 58 00:02:22,090 --> 00:02:20,720 thank all of you listeners as well who 59 00:02:24,310 --> 00:02:22,100 support the show and if you can't 60 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:24,320 support the show he will still 61 00:02:28,150 --> 00:02:26,330 appreciate that you can you know listen 62 00:02:29,860 --> 00:02:28,160 to a show for free live every Wednesday 63 00:02:32,610 --> 00:02:29,870 evening that is 8:00 to 10:00 p.m. 64 00:02:36,430 --> 00:02:32,620 that's Eastern Daylight Savings Time and 65 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:36,440 it's podcast UFO calm you can also jump 66 00:02:42,090 --> 00:02:38,330 into the chatroom you can ask questions 67 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:42,100 with Joshua tonight we're also live on 68 00:02:48,340 --> 00:02:45,290 PSN radio and don't forget that the full 69 00:02:50,410 --> 00:02:48,350 show as a podcast on Dark Matter digital 70 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:50,420 network that's every Thursday at 10:00 71 00:02:54,970 --> 00:02:52,850 I am I allowed to say that one I'm not 72 00:02:56,350 --> 00:02:54,980 sure anyway sorry Nora if that's the 73 00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:56,360 case they do and we're gonna get right 74 00:03:01,000 --> 00:02:58,370 to this because this is cool we're gonna 75 00:03:03,700 --> 00:03:01,010 be talking about UFOs tonight and I've 76 00:03:07,210 --> 00:03:03,710 heard a lot about something called Brown 77 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:07,220 Mountain and I don't know much about it 78 00:03:11,110 --> 00:03:08,810 I haven't looked into it because what I 79 00:03:12,610 --> 00:03:11,120 like to do is I like to ask the people 80 00:03:15,610 --> 00:03:12,620 that have been there I don't really 81 00:03:18,610 --> 00:03:15,620 necessarily like to Google it or read 82 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:18,620 books on it unless I know who it is that 83 00:03:22,750 --> 00:03:20,690 I'm googling or reading the books on 84 00:03:23,890 --> 00:03:22,760 because normally what I like to do is 85 00:03:26,140 --> 00:03:23,900 check it out for myself 86 00:03:28,270 --> 00:03:26,150 so if I can't do that the next best 87 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:28,280 thing is to talk to somebody who has 88 00:03:31,930 --> 00:03:30,530 done that themselves and I believe that 89 00:03:34,390 --> 00:03:31,940 our guest tonight has a lot of 90 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:34,400 information on Brown Mountain and I am 91 00:03:37,420 --> 00:03:36,290 looking forward to hearing about that so 92 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:37,430 let's go ahead and bring him on 93 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:41,690 Joshua P Warren you guys know him as you 94 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:43,490 know I don't think there's anything that 95 00:03:47,530 --> 00:03:45,770 Joshua doesn't do you can of course here 96 00:03:48,190 --> 00:03:47,540 in Montcoal Sukkos he's a good friend of 97 00:03:51,190 --> 00:03:48,200 George Norris 98 00:03:52,449 --> 00:03:51,200 he's on quite a bit when George you know 99 00:03:55,510 --> 00:03:52,459 just wants to kind of talk to somebody 100 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:55,520 he calls up Joshua our executive or 101 00:04:00,670 --> 00:03:56,450 excuse me 102 00:04:03,220 --> 00:04:00,680 actually Nori's producer is Tommy Dan 103 00:04:06,580 --> 00:04:03,230 Heiser Tommy just loves Joshua anytime I 104 00:04:08,620 --> 00:04:06,590 talk with Johnny or Johnny hey Jamie 105 00:04:11,230 --> 00:04:08,630 anytime I talk with Tommy he mentions 106 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:11,240 Joshua and he absolutely loves Joshua in 107 00:04:15,340 --> 00:04:12,530 fact they did something recently I'm 108 00:04:18,940 --> 00:04:15,350 gonna ask Joshua about but um he's also 109 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:18,950 into ghosts he's into he holds tours 110 00:04:24,580 --> 00:04:22,250 he's into remote viewing he's into 111 00:04:26,890 --> 00:04:24,590 radionics he's into you name it he's 112 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:26,900 into it and that's fantastic because so 113 00:04:29,830 --> 00:04:27,650 am I 114 00:04:32,379 --> 00:04:29,840 okay and I could probably talk for weeks 115 00:04:35,170 --> 00:04:32,389 and weeks and weeks but let's least talk 116 00:04:38,409 --> 00:04:35,180 for a couple hours here Joshua are you 117 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:38,419 in there hanging in there with me I am 118 00:04:43,540 --> 00:04:40,130 it's great to be with you tonight Connie 119 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:43,550 thank you I'm I can't really hear myself 120 00:04:47,620 --> 00:04:45,650 and and that's normal for what's going 121 00:04:50,650 --> 00:04:47,630 on tonight but I'm used to hearing 122 00:04:51,999 --> 00:04:50,660 myself and so it's kind of a weird thing 123 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:52,009 for me I feel like I'm in like a 124 00:04:54,969 --> 00:04:53,570 Twilight Zone so I guess that's perfect 125 00:04:57,430 --> 00:04:54,979 for tonight because I'm going to turn 126 00:04:58,810 --> 00:04:57,440 out the lights as well and I'm gonna 127 00:04:59,920 --> 00:04:58,820 start talking some really cool things 128 00:05:01,330 --> 00:04:59,930 with you Joshua 129 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:01,340 do you is there anything that you want 130 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:03,650 to talk about that's brand-new happening 131 00:05:07,060 --> 00:05:05,690 that you've got going on before we get 132 00:05:09,189 --> 00:05:07,070 into Brown Mountain because I know you 133 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:09,199 always have some new ideas some new 134 00:05:13,689 --> 00:05:11,090 products some new thing going on you 135 00:05:16,510 --> 00:05:13,699 just are that way and you know good for 136 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:16,520 you well you know thank you for asking 137 00:05:23,529 --> 00:05:19,250 Connie you know it's funny because about 138 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:23,539 a week ago I purchased a new instrument 139 00:05:29,409 --> 00:05:27,530 and I have a laboratory that is a part 140 00:05:32,379 --> 00:05:29,419 of my Museum here in Asheville North 141 00:05:34,089 --> 00:05:32,389 Carolina where I was born and raised 142 00:05:39,939 --> 00:05:34,099 that's where I'm joining you from 143 00:05:44,350 --> 00:05:39,949 tonight and this instrument is very very 144 00:05:48,250 --> 00:05:44,360 sensitive and I however am modifying it 145 00:05:52,779 --> 00:05:48,260 and I am going to create what may be an 146 00:05:54,850 --> 00:05:52,789 instrument that's too sensitive it we 147 00:05:58,659 --> 00:05:54,860 may just pick up nothing the background 148 00:06:01,350 --> 00:05:58,669 universal noise and so I I don't want to 149 00:06:04,300 --> 00:06:01,360 say what it is until I'm finished 150 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:04,310 completing the work on this but over the 151 00:06:09,670 --> 00:06:06,770 next six weeks I'm going to be taking 152 00:06:12,790 --> 00:06:09,680 this thing to paranormally active hot 153 00:06:16,330 --> 00:06:12,800 spots and I will give you a little hint 154 00:06:20,070 --> 00:06:16,340 though it not only allows us to pick up 155 00:06:25,740 --> 00:06:20,080 energy it also allows us to possibly 156 00:06:28,149 --> 00:06:25,750 interpret language and and melodies so 157 00:06:30,159 --> 00:06:28,159 it's it's something that's never been 158 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:30,169 used in paranormal research to my 159 00:06:34,540 --> 00:06:32,810 knowledge and so I came here you know I 160 00:06:38,409 --> 00:06:34,550 spend a good deal of my time in the 161 00:06:40,390 --> 00:06:38,419 Bermuda Triangle I have a condo in 162 00:06:41,460 --> 00:06:40,400 Puerto Rico where I operate the Bermuda 163 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:41,470 Triangle Research 164 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:43,810 but here in the mountains of Western 165 00:06:47,580 --> 00:06:45,490 North Carolina we have so much 166 00:06:51,390 --> 00:06:47,590 paranormal activity I'm really looking 167 00:06:54,660 --> 00:06:51,400 forward to instituting this device and I 168 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:54,670 guess that's a bit of a tease but soon 169 00:06:58,770 --> 00:06:56,890 hopefully if things go well fingers 170 00:07:01,770 --> 00:06:58,780 crossed I'll have some pretty a 171 00:07:04,830 --> 00:07:01,780 sensational new results - it's totally 172 00:07:08,940 --> 00:07:04,840 at ease is this like can you give us the 173 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:08,950 name or anything up a price or what what 174 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:09,490 what 175 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:11,530 give us something come on an exclusive 176 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:15,730 no no the thing is when I work on these 177 00:07:22,410 --> 00:07:19,450 projects I am my own worst critic and 178 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:22,420 skeptic because I know it's funny 179 00:07:25,890 --> 00:07:24,010 because there are people who look at a 180 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:25,900 person like me and they think oh this 181 00:07:30,570 --> 00:07:28,090 guy probably believes everything you 182 00:07:34,050 --> 00:07:30,580 know he's he's a paranormal guy but 183 00:07:36,690 --> 00:07:34,060 actually I am my own worst critic and 184 00:07:38,670 --> 00:07:36,700 skeptic because I know if I work on one 185 00:07:41,340 --> 00:07:38,680 of these projects especially when this 186 00:07:44,970 --> 00:07:41,350 that is technically oriented and I do 187 00:07:48,060 --> 00:07:44,980 not use Occam's razor and rule out every 188 00:07:50,220 --> 00:07:48,070 conventional explanation before I take 189 00:07:53,190 --> 00:07:50,230 it to the public well then somebody else 190 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:53,200 is going to you know they'll find that 191 00:07:59,040 --> 00:07:56,770 four and then I look stupid and so I'm 192 00:08:00,780 --> 00:07:59,050 very careful about making sure that I 193 00:08:02,670 --> 00:08:00,790 know what I'm talking about before I 194 00:08:04,770 --> 00:08:02,680 actually presented something 195 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:04,780 oh yeah and today with the internet it's 196 00:08:08,250 --> 00:08:06,490 just plastered everywhere negative 197 00:08:10,590 --> 00:08:08,260 negative negative and it's horribly 198 00:08:12,270 --> 00:08:10,600 negative negative negative it's not even 199 00:08:13,500 --> 00:08:12,280 just simply you know you know he doesn't 200 00:08:15,690 --> 00:08:13,510 know what he's talking about it's like 201 00:08:17,550 --> 00:08:15,700 you know they cut your jugular I mean 202 00:08:20,130 --> 00:08:17,560 it's terrible terrible the trolls are 203 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:20,140 bad okay so that's nice to know about 204 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:23,290 the the nice teaser you got us all 205 00:08:28,140 --> 00:08:24,850 excited about but that's good we'll look 206 00:08:29,159 --> 00:08:28,150 forward forward to that hopefully I 207 00:08:30,719 --> 00:08:29,169 don't know 208 00:08:32,279 --> 00:08:30,729 we'll get the exclusive on that and in 209 00:08:35,219 --> 00:08:32,289 the future maybe on one of these other 210 00:08:36,570 --> 00:08:35,229 shows - so Brown Mountain that's what I 211 00:08:39,750 --> 00:08:36,580 want to know I've heard about it from 212 00:08:42,060 --> 00:08:39,760 other people I've heard the name I was 213 00:08:43,589 --> 00:08:42,070 excited when Martin called me today and 214 00:08:46,290 --> 00:08:43,599 then he said it was going to be you and 215 00:08:47,790 --> 00:08:46,300 it was Brown mountain so finally I get 216 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:47,800 to hear about this but I guess there's 217 00:08:51,180 --> 00:08:49,210 one more question I want to ask you 218 00:08:53,370 --> 00:08:51,190 beforehand and that is just recently 219 00:08:55,699 --> 00:08:53,380 there was a big to do with coast to 220 00:09:00,829 --> 00:08:55,709 coast at Asheville and 221 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:00,839 Tsang how'd that go well you know George 222 00:09:07,639 --> 00:09:03,810 Noory of course loves to take the coast 223 00:09:10,730 --> 00:09:07,649 to coast am forum and bring it to 224 00:09:12,769 --> 00:09:10,740 various cities lives he's been doing 225 00:09:16,100 --> 00:09:12,779 this for years in fact the first time I 226 00:09:17,990 --> 00:09:16,110 participated was in Boise Idaho but I'd 227 00:09:19,759 --> 00:09:18,000 never been to Boise it doesn't sound 228 00:09:22,639 --> 00:09:19,769 like the most exciting place but it was 229 00:09:24,680 --> 00:09:22,649 actually a really cool town and yet nor 230 00:09:28,999 --> 00:09:24,690 he had never been to Asheville North 231 00:09:31,790 --> 00:09:29,009 Carolina and so they've been he and Tom 232 00:09:34,430 --> 00:09:31,800 had been asking me for four years do you 233 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:34,440 think that there is an audience and 234 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:36,930 Asheville that would you know really 235 00:09:42,350 --> 00:09:38,610 show up and support such a thing I said 236 00:09:45,110 --> 00:09:42,360 aw yeah I mean when you get out toward 237 00:09:47,780 --> 00:09:45,120 the western part of the country there 238 00:09:50,379 --> 00:09:47,790 are many many more paranormal events 239 00:09:54,499 --> 00:09:50,389 than you have here in the east and so 240 00:09:57,740 --> 00:09:54,509 George set up one of his live events on 241 00:10:01,189 --> 00:09:57,750 August the 27th and it was absolutely 242 00:10:03,500 --> 00:10:01,199 packed out I mean it was standing room 243 00:10:06,470 --> 00:10:03,510 only I mean it was truly it was kind of 244 00:10:09,319 --> 00:10:06,480 insane it was a packed house and George 245 00:10:11,449 --> 00:10:09,329 had a live band there he is the ultimate 246 00:10:13,250 --> 00:10:11,459 crooner I don't know if you know this or 247 00:10:15,410 --> 00:10:13,260 not but he actually gets ladies 248 00:10:19,819 --> 00:10:15,420 undergarments tossed in his direction 249 00:10:26,990 --> 00:10:19,829 from and I'm sorry now that I do I 250 00:10:29,300 --> 00:10:27,000 cannot unsee that look and and but in 251 00:10:31,850 --> 00:10:29,310 the meantime yeah I I was honored to be 252 00:10:33,470 --> 00:10:31,860 one of the guests on stage it's kind of 253 00:10:35,930 --> 00:10:33,480 like setting up the Johnny Carson 254 00:10:37,699 --> 00:10:35,940 Tonight Show on stage with George and 255 00:10:41,300 --> 00:10:37,709 they have a nice big screen there and a 256 00:10:44,870 --> 00:10:41,310 multimedia capability to show videos and 257 00:10:47,389 --> 00:10:44,880 supporting images and so I was one of 258 00:10:49,550 --> 00:10:47,399 the the guests as well as dr. William 259 00:10:54,129 --> 00:10:49,560 fortune who is a great friend of mine 260 00:10:58,100 --> 00:10:54,139 who talks a lot about the EMP threat and 261 00:11:03,470 --> 00:10:58,110 Micah Hanks the ufologist who happens to 262 00:11:04,790 --> 00:11:03,480 also be a cousin of mine so yeah it was 263 00:11:07,189 --> 00:11:04,800 kinda like a family affair 264 00:11:09,170 --> 00:11:07,199 yeah and Micah what was the head of the 265 00:11:11,990 --> 00:11:09,180 band and played all the music 266 00:11:14,390 --> 00:11:12,000 I mean it was it was an absolute blast 267 00:11:16,580 --> 00:11:14,400 you know I take on you at the end of 268 00:11:18,890 --> 00:11:16,590 this thing we did a meet-and-greet and I 269 00:11:23,150 --> 00:11:18,900 stood there at the table along with 270 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:23,160 Micah and Bill and we had a line of 500 271 00:11:27,590 --> 00:11:25,650 people who came by and we met every 272 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:27,600 single one we shook their hands and 273 00:11:33,050 --> 00:11:29,610 there were people who drove to Western 274 00:11:36,020 --> 00:11:33,060 North Carolina from Chicago from Detroit 275 00:11:38,780 --> 00:11:36,030 from Fort Lauderdale I mean all over 276 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:38,790 this half of the US for and it was a 277 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:41,850 huge success so people are really really 278 00:11:45,770 --> 00:11:44,250 thrilled that that George and the coast 279 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:45,780 family has finally come out in this 280 00:11:51,470 --> 00:11:49,530 direction so I actually had had emailed 281 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:51,480 George and I said well how did the 282 00:11:55,030 --> 00:11:52,890 singing go how did it sound what 283 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:55,040 happened was how did your singing go 284 00:11:58,850 --> 00:11:57,810 he's a great guy he's extremely 285 00:12:03,800 --> 00:11:58,860 professional 286 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:03,810 he's extremely cordial kind to the point 287 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:06,330 very much a gentleman for those of you 288 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:07,650 that don't know him he's just to the 289 00:12:11,450 --> 00:12:09,690 point he really is he doesn't give you a 290 00:12:13,910 --> 00:12:11,460 bunch of blah blah blah he's right there 291 00:12:16,180 --> 00:12:13,920 to it so I was like hey how did the 292 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:16,190 singing go and he just wrote back 293 00:12:21,980 --> 00:12:20,490 amazing and that that's so so I'm glad 294 00:12:24,260 --> 00:12:21,990 that that worked out I was hoping to 295 00:12:26,510 --> 00:12:24,270 hear that at one point uh so maybe yeah 296 00:12:28,490 --> 00:12:26,520 one of the ones in the future I'll get 297 00:12:30,950 --> 00:12:28,500 to hear him sing so let's get to Brown 298 00:12:33,380 --> 00:12:30,960 Mountain cuz I really want to know what 299 00:12:35,900 --> 00:12:33,390 this is about is it spooky is it is it 300 00:12:38,140 --> 00:12:35,910 skinwalkers is this ufos what is Brown 301 00:12:41,030 --> 00:12:38,150 Mountain and where is Brown Mountain 302 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:41,040 yeah well you know Brown Mountain it 303 00:12:48,020 --> 00:12:44,490 really does encompass all of that in 304 00:12:51,740 --> 00:12:48,030 fact one of my books how to hunt ghosts 305 00:12:54,590 --> 00:12:51,750 which came out in 2003 use Brown 306 00:12:58,850 --> 00:12:54,600 Mountain as an example of what we call a 307 00:13:03,200 --> 00:12:58,860 warp and a warp is a place where the 308 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:03,210 known mainstream physical laws seem to 309 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:07,770 break down and and I have had such a 310 00:13:13,850 --> 00:13:10,800 long relationship with Brown Mountain 311 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:13,860 for one thing again I was born and 312 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:15,330 raised here in Asheville North Carolina 313 00:13:20,540 --> 00:13:17,850 which is the heart of the Blue Ridge 314 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:20,550 Mountains these are the oldest mountains 315 00:13:23,090 --> 00:13:22,890 in North America and some of the oldest 316 00:13:26,660 --> 00:13:23,100 in 317 00:13:30,410 --> 00:13:26,670 the world now if you drive east of 318 00:13:33,950 --> 00:13:30,420 Asheville about 45 minutes you will 319 00:13:36,230 --> 00:13:33,960 enter the Pisgah National Forest which 320 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:36,240 is outside of Morganton North Carolina 321 00:13:42,620 --> 00:13:39,690 and one of the ridges you will see there 322 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:42,630 is brown mountain now at first glance it 323 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:45,170 seems like just any other typical 324 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:47,610 unassuming kind of rich I mean it's 325 00:13:53,750 --> 00:13:50,570 about two and a half miles long about 326 00:13:57,290 --> 00:13:53,760 2,500 feet in elevation it's just a long 327 00:13:58,760 --> 00:13:57,300 flat low-lying rich it's not so that's 328 00:14:02,720 --> 00:13:58,770 nice so you can go and check this out 329 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:02,730 all the time oh it was soon as I got my 330 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:06,210 driver's license when I was 13 I started 331 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:11,370 going there and I spent 15 years getting 332 00:14:17,390 --> 00:14:14,370 permits from the Forest Service and to 333 00:14:20,570 --> 00:14:17,400 access service roads getting the keys 334 00:14:24,170 --> 00:14:20,580 and going up there and camping on Brown 335 00:14:27,290 --> 00:14:24,180 mountain not just with my friends but 336 00:14:31,430 --> 00:14:27,300 also I brought a physicist from the Oak 337 00:14:34,550 --> 00:14:31,440 Ridge National Laboratory yeah a forest 338 00:14:36,980 --> 00:14:34,560 ranger an actual bona fide rocket 339 00:14:39,260 --> 00:14:36,990 scientist from Ohio State University I 340 00:14:43,220 --> 00:14:39,270 mean I brought a lot of experts there 341 00:14:45,310 --> 00:14:43,230 and we brought a lot of equipment and we 342 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:45,320 we spent as much time as possible 343 00:14:52,660 --> 00:14:47,730 observing the mountain because 344 00:14:57,260 --> 00:14:52,670 ultimately here's the story for at least 345 00:14:58,910 --> 00:14:57,270 100 years actually more than 100 years 346 00:15:01,010 --> 00:14:58,920 according to journalistic accounts 347 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:01,020 because the very first time disappeared 348 00:15:07,250 --> 00:15:04,410 in the media was 1913 and the Charlotte 349 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:07,260 Observer and perhaps hundreds of years 350 00:15:13,210 --> 00:15:09,930 based upon Native American stories and 351 00:15:16,220 --> 00:15:13,220 pioneer legends these strange 352 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:16,230 multicolored balls of light have been 353 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:19,650 seen floating on and around and above 354 00:15:27,470 --> 00:15:23,610 this Ridge oh wow and they've been 355 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:27,480 studied for all these years by a number 356 00:15:32,780 --> 00:15:30,050 of scientists and government 357 00:15:37,429 --> 00:15:32,790 institutions I mean the US Geological 358 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:37,439 Survey starting and not starting in 1913 359 00:15:42,559 --> 00:15:40,050 studied the phenomenon of the 360 00:15:47,569 --> 00:15:42,569 Smithsonian teamed up with the weather 361 00:15:52,429 --> 00:15:47,579 bureau in 1919 and they did a study this 362 00:15:56,499 --> 00:15:52,439 phenomenon has been truly a target of 363 00:15:59,269 --> 00:15:56,509 scientific inquiry all this time and 364 00:16:01,869 --> 00:15:59,279 additionally however what you find is 365 00:16:05,150 --> 00:16:01,879 that it has become a hub for so-called 366 00:16:08,900 --> 00:16:05,160 paranormalists meaning that okay if 367 00:16:11,389 --> 00:16:08,910 you're a scientist and you are into say 368 00:16:13,309 --> 00:16:11,399 chemistry people have been inclined to 369 00:16:16,129 --> 00:16:13,319 say well this may be some kind of 370 00:16:20,359 --> 00:16:16,139 gaseous phenomenons the old swamp gas 371 00:16:22,429 --> 00:16:20,369 thing or if you're into geology you 372 00:16:24,259 --> 00:16:22,439 might say it's piezo electricity but 373 00:16:25,790 --> 00:16:24,269 people who are in the ghosts say well 374 00:16:28,129 --> 00:16:25,800 these are the spirits of Native 375 00:16:31,009 --> 00:16:28,139 Americans who were killed in battle 376 00:16:33,230 --> 00:16:31,019 people who are into UFOs talk about this 377 00:16:35,689 --> 00:16:33,240 being like one of the mothership landing 378 00:16:37,579 --> 00:16:35,699 bases and there are plenty of abduction 379 00:16:41,090 --> 00:16:37,589 stories related to the area I can tell 380 00:16:44,569 --> 00:16:41,100 you about and and ultimately it becomes 381 00:16:47,210 --> 00:16:44,579 kind of a blank slate as most mysteries 382 00:16:52,850 --> 00:16:47,220 are the people can sort of project their 383 00:16:55,549 --> 00:16:52,860 ideas upon and but what I can tell you 384 00:16:58,910 --> 00:16:55,559 is that my team and I in the year 2000 385 00:17:01,009 --> 00:16:58,920 documented the first I mean we captured 386 00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:01,019 the first really good footage of the 387 00:17:05,090 --> 00:17:03,360 Brown Mountain lights and and before we 388 00:17:08,210 --> 00:17:05,100 dig deeper into this let me just point 389 00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:08,220 out that over the past ten years there 390 00:17:16,309 --> 00:17:12,480 has been a a doctor at Appalachian State 391 00:17:19,750 --> 00:17:16,319 University named Dan Kagan and the media 392 00:17:22,939 --> 00:17:19,760 has always had a tendency to kind of pit 393 00:17:25,010 --> 00:17:22,949 himself and me against each other 394 00:17:26,899 --> 00:17:25,020 like oh this is the scientist who's 395 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:26,909 skeptical and this is the guy who 396 00:17:32,690 --> 00:17:29,610 believes in the paranormal and for 10 397 00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:32,700 years Dan Kagan has been very dismissive 398 00:17:38,060 --> 00:17:35,760 and condescending and I mean really he 399 00:17:40,519 --> 00:17:38,070 has the Iowa I don't think that he 400 00:17:44,570 --> 00:17:40,529 treated this with a very nice demeanor 401 00:17:47,419 --> 00:17:44,580 and you know what he finally put two 402 00:17:50,730 --> 00:17:47,429 cameras up there on a ridge overlooking 403 00:17:53,850 --> 00:17:50,740 Brown Mountain and this past July 404 00:17:55,830 --> 00:17:53,860 and cake finally captured anomalous 405 00:17:58,860 --> 00:17:55,840 lights of her Brown Mountain and had to 406 00:18:01,980 --> 00:17:58,870 say look I have to admit I cannot 407 00:18:04,590 --> 00:18:01,990 explain this this is exciting that was 408 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:04,600 in the Charlotte Observer it's accessed 409 00:18:08,850 --> 00:18:06,370 by some of the national media so this is 410 00:18:11,580 --> 00:18:08,860 something that's real Connie excellent I 411 00:18:13,049 --> 00:18:11,590 love when that happens there's nothing 412 00:18:16,169 --> 00:18:13,059 better than when a skeptic or a 413 00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:16,179 non-believer see something that you've 414 00:18:21,510 --> 00:18:18,130 spoken about or other people have talked 415 00:18:24,270 --> 00:18:21,520 about forever how long and I just love 416 00:18:27,090 --> 00:18:24,280 it I prefer a camera being on their face 417 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:27,100 instead of a camera seeing the evidence 418 00:18:30,810 --> 00:18:29,530 only because I want to see them finally 419 00:18:32,700 --> 00:18:30,820 get it because you know they're the 420 00:18:34,740 --> 00:18:32,710 worst of the worst people in this field 421 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:34,750 so this is incredible can you tell me 422 00:18:38,669 --> 00:18:37,090 about the lights are they you know 423 00:18:42,030 --> 00:18:38,679 because some lights are soccer soccer 424 00:18:43,230 --> 00:18:42,040 ball-sized and and yellow or red and and 425 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:43,240 you know you kind of hear that with the 426 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:45,250 Bigfoot world and then you have other 427 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:47,290 ones that are tinier and you hear about 428 00:18:52,230 --> 00:18:49,650 that with the UFO and crop circle world 429 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:52,240 and then with spirits you hear you know 430 00:18:56,610 --> 00:18:53,650 those are even tinier and sometimes 431 00:18:58,440 --> 00:18:56,620 they're gigantic and and you know you 432 00:19:01,980 --> 00:18:58,450 seem in the sky so what what are these 433 00:19:04,590 --> 00:19:01,990 lights like well first I'll tell you 434 00:19:06,030 --> 00:19:04,600 about my own personal observations and 435 00:19:07,770 --> 00:19:06,040 then I will tell you about some of the 436 00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:07,780 most credible witnesses that I've 437 00:19:14,340 --> 00:19:10,000 interviewed over the years 438 00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:14,350 I myself was quite lucky to see the 439 00:19:20,250 --> 00:19:16,720 lights when I was probably about 11 or 440 00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:20,260 12 years old and my family took a little 441 00:19:26,010 --> 00:19:22,000 field trip up to Brown mountain one 442 00:19:28,860 --> 00:19:26,020 evening and we saw them from an overlook 443 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:28,870 and they were you know bright red lights 444 00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:31,290 on that occasion that were sort of 445 00:19:39,060 --> 00:19:35,679 bobbing around one of the rock faces now 446 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:39,070 since then when my team and I have gone 447 00:19:45,030 --> 00:19:42,010 up there and captured footage we have 448 00:19:47,010 --> 00:19:45,040 gotten a very similar looking phenomenon 449 00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:47,020 but we're using night vision so it you 450 00:19:54,299 --> 00:19:49,600 know has that greenish tinge and what 451 00:19:56,010 --> 00:19:54,309 you see are sometimes what looks like a 452 00:19:59,159 --> 00:19:56,020 ball of light but when you look at it in 453 00:20:01,470 --> 00:19:59,169 detail they kind of morph and they kind 454 00:20:02,590 --> 00:20:01,480 of they look a little more like they're 455 00:20:05,020 --> 00:20:02,600 sort of 456 00:20:07,870 --> 00:20:05,030 around like like what you know they're 457 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:07,880 not as defined indistinct now one of the 458 00:20:14,860 --> 00:20:10,970 most amazing personal experiences I had 459 00:20:16,990 --> 00:20:14,870 was in November of 2000 I was camping up 460 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:17,000 there on a ridge right beside Brown 461 00:20:23,169 --> 00:20:20,450 Mountain with two colleagues Brian Irish 462 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:23,179 and Casey Fox and this was around nine 463 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:24,770 o'clock at night and I was the first 464 00:20:31,870 --> 00:20:26,809 person to look over in the woods nearby 465 00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:31,880 and see this ball of light that at that 466 00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:35,120 time I mean III could not judge in terms 467 00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:37,039 of size necessarily because it was in 468 00:20:42,250 --> 00:20:39,679 the woods but from my point of view it 469 00:20:44,890 --> 00:20:42,260 looked like it was mmm several times the 470 00:20:48,279 --> 00:20:44,900 size of a basketball will say and this 471 00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:48,289 ball of light goes just ascending very 472 00:20:55,210 --> 00:20:51,679 clearly and distinctly up into the air 473 00:20:58,299 --> 00:20:55,220 and strobing now I captured this on 474 00:21:01,210 --> 00:20:58,309 video Brian Irish captured it on video 475 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:01,220 and this thing went straight up into the 476 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:03,890 sky for maybe a couple minutes before it 477 00:21:09,010 --> 00:21:06,770 vanished and as a matter of fact I've 478 00:21:12,580 --> 00:21:09,020 got that footage freely available at 479 00:21:15,370 --> 00:21:12,590 Joshua P Warren comm I want to point out 480 00:21:18,159 --> 00:21:15,380 there's no period after the P but if you 481 00:21:19,390 --> 00:21:18,169 go to Joshua P Warren comm you can see 482 00:21:21,159 --> 00:21:19,400 this footage 483 00:21:23,169 --> 00:21:21,169 among other footage and that was 484 00:21:26,890 --> 00:21:23,179 something that three of us witnessed and 485 00:21:28,930 --> 00:21:26,900 captured now that's Ed I could tell you 486 00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:28,940 for hours about other people's 487 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:31,130 experiences but one of the most 488 00:21:36,700 --> 00:21:33,770 impressive stories came from a man named 489 00:21:40,270 --> 00:21:36,710 Tommy Hunter who unfortunately died a 490 00:21:43,180 --> 00:21:40,280 few years ago but I interviewed him and 491 00:21:45,820 --> 00:21:43,190 there were nine witnesses there who 492 00:21:51,850 --> 00:21:45,830 corroborated his story and I interviewed 493 00:21:54,700 --> 00:21:51,860 most of them in 1982 Tommy Hunter who 494 00:21:59,380 --> 00:21:54,710 was a local guy believed he was a jato 495 00:22:03,960 --> 00:21:59,390 mechanic was at the overlook the they 496 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:03,970 call it the 181 overlook and they were 497 00:22:08,890 --> 00:22:06,650 simply viewing the mountain and at one 498 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:08,900 point there was a gasp and everybody 499 00:22:13,180 --> 00:22:10,850 looked over and realized that one of 500 00:22:16,210 --> 00:22:13,190 these balls of light had literally 501 00:22:19,299 --> 00:22:16,220 bobbed up onto the Overlook 502 00:22:22,690 --> 00:22:19,309 so in his words and the words of the 503 00:22:24,999 --> 00:22:22,700 witnesses this thing was a maybe two or 504 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:25,009 three times the size of a basketball 505 00:22:31,389 --> 00:22:28,129 it was bright white with a bit of a 506 00:22:34,419 --> 00:22:31,399 yellowish tinge and everybody went 507 00:22:37,330 --> 00:22:34,429 running in the opposite direction except 508 00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:37,340 for Tommy Hunter AJ it kind of reminds 509 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:39,710 you of that fire in the sky scenario you 510 00:22:44,049 --> 00:22:40,850 know what I'm talking about yeah 511 00:22:49,060 --> 00:22:44,059 absolutely yes yes there's always that 512 00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:49,070 one guy he was the Travis Walton of this 513 00:22:55,090 --> 00:22:52,370 night yeah and so Tommy Hunter sort of 514 00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:55,100 mesmerised he walks up to this light 515 00:22:59,379 --> 00:22:57,200 which is hovering about three feet over 516 00:23:08,889 --> 00:22:59,389 the ground and he reached out and 517 00:23:11,230 --> 00:23:08,899 touched it no because you know it's easy 518 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:11,240 to imagine that you might do that but 519 00:23:15,460 --> 00:23:13,970 you actually do it you know that's a 520 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:15,470 little different than in the moment 521 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:19,490 that's right yeah so he walked up put 522 00:23:25,749 --> 00:23:23,570 his finger into this thing and now I 523 00:23:27,009 --> 00:23:25,759 will tell you what he told me and then 524 00:23:29,470 --> 00:23:27,019 I'll tell you what the witnesses said 525 00:23:33,249 --> 00:23:29,480 from their point of view he said that 526 00:23:35,619 --> 00:23:33,259 when he touched it it shocked him to the 527 00:23:39,460 --> 00:23:35,629 point where his teeth rattled and it 528 00:23:41,710 --> 00:23:39,470 knocked him back now the witnesses said 529 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:41,720 that they thought it actually almost 530 00:23:45,610 --> 00:23:43,730 knocked him unconscious because they 531 00:23:48,279 --> 00:23:45,620 said he looked like he was going to go 532 00:23:50,919 --> 00:23:48,289 down and he stumbled around a bit and 533 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:50,929 then he regained consciousness and they 534 00:23:56,350 --> 00:23:53,210 said that when he touched it the light 535 00:23:58,810 --> 00:23:56,360 dimmed for a moment but it did not 536 00:24:00,759 --> 00:23:58,820 completely discharge so it wasn't like 537 00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:00,769 he touched it and you would imagine if 538 00:24:05,769 --> 00:24:03,679 this was some kind of familiar 539 00:24:08,259 --> 00:24:05,779 electrical phenomenon when you do that 540 00:24:10,690 --> 00:24:08,269 well electricity takes the least passed 541 00:24:11,980 --> 00:24:10,700 passive resistance to the ground you 542 00:24:14,919 --> 00:24:11,990 think maybe it would have just come you 543 00:24:18,580 --> 00:24:14,929 know gone pop and disappear but it just 544 00:24:22,419 --> 00:24:18,590 bend a little bit and then he regained 545 00:24:24,940 --> 00:24:22,429 his footing and the light continued to 546 00:24:28,090 --> 00:24:24,950 Bob around a little bit and then was 547 00:24:29,380 --> 00:24:28,100 joined by a second light and those two 548 00:24:32,740 --> 00:24:29,390 lights then sort 549 00:24:34,810 --> 00:24:32,750 slipped over the side of the overlook 550 00:24:39,910 --> 00:24:34,820 down into a little canyon there and 551 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:39,920 disappeared off into the woods and and 552 00:24:43,900 --> 00:24:42,410 one of the witnesses I can't even 553 00:24:45,010 --> 00:24:43,910 believe they don't let him come up to it 554 00:24:47,289 --> 00:24:45,020 you know what I'm saying I mean it 555 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:47,299 obviously was had intelligence as well 556 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:50,570 and here it is kind of watching him as 557 00:24:55,930 --> 00:24:52,809 he came up as much as he was watching it 558 00:24:58,120 --> 00:24:55,940 that's what it sounds like well you know 559 00:25:01,810 --> 00:24:58,130 one of the witnesses is now an officer 560 00:25:04,659 --> 00:25:01,820 in the Air Force and she said like you 561 00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:04,669 know like I'm a no-nonsense lady and she 562 00:25:09,159 --> 00:25:06,799 didn't want to have her name publicized 563 00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:09,169 but she said I've never seen anything 564 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:12,080 like that now whether or not is it is 565 00:25:17,049 --> 00:25:15,410 intelligence is a different a different 566 00:25:20,350 --> 00:25:17,059 phenomenon or a different matter 567 00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:20,360 all-together I mean because a lot of 568 00:25:25,470 --> 00:25:22,400 people who have a close encounter with 569 00:25:28,180 --> 00:25:25,480 the likes say that they are intelligent 570 00:25:30,220 --> 00:25:28,190 that when they move toward them the 571 00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:30,230 lights might move away or they move away 572 00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:31,760 from the light and the light kind of 573 00:25:35,230 --> 00:25:33,200 follows them a little bit and there's 574 00:25:37,690 --> 00:25:35,240 some kind of an interaction going on 575 00:25:39,820 --> 00:25:37,700 there I even talked to one person who 576 00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:39,830 said I got close to a light I saw a 577 00:25:45,940 --> 00:25:44,510 little man sitting inside of it oh wow I 578 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:45,950 would love for them to draw a picture of 579 00:25:52,539 --> 00:25:49,370 that show would that look like yeah yeah 580 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:52,549 but but on the other hand I mean frankly 581 00:25:58,780 --> 00:25:55,970 based upon my own personal experiences 582 00:26:00,570 --> 00:25:58,790 just seeing what I've seen measuring 583 00:26:04,270 --> 00:26:00,580 what my team and I have measured I 584 00:26:07,409 --> 00:26:04,280 believe that most of the lights at very 585 00:26:10,930 --> 00:26:07,419 least the people are seeing are indeed 586 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:10,940 part of a sensational natural phenomenon 587 00:26:16,750 --> 00:26:14,090 similar to ball lightning created by 588 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:16,760 some very special geological 589 00:26:21,370 --> 00:26:18,410 characteristics of the mountain that we 590 00:26:24,490 --> 00:26:21,380 can get into if you'd like but let me be 591 00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:24,500 very clear I am NOT suggesting however 592 00:26:30,460 --> 00:26:27,440 that that explains all the other 593 00:26:32,289 --> 00:26:30,470 paranormal experiences people have I'm 594 00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:32,299 simply saying that this may be a 595 00:26:40,150 --> 00:26:36,559 byproduct of a place that is a hub for 596 00:26:42,910 --> 00:26:40,160 UFOs and ghosts or maybe the the part of 597 00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:42,920 the earth there is a natural conduit 598 00:26:48,790 --> 00:26:46,130 and creates so much of a field that it 599 00:26:49,930 --> 00:26:48,800 opens people's brains and stimulates 600 00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:49,940 their brains and they're able to 601 00:26:55,030 --> 00:26:52,130 perceive and experience other paranormal 602 00:26:57,460 --> 00:26:55,040 activity right right I understand what 603 00:27:00,190 --> 00:26:57,470 you're saying but there seems to be so 604 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:00,200 yeah just so much stuff going on going 605 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:02,690 back to the story of you when you saw 606 00:27:07,690 --> 00:27:05,450 the light did you feel anything did you 607 00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:07,700 experience anything like that you know I 608 00:27:12,430 --> 00:27:10,310 know that you're sensitive to you know 609 00:27:14,980 --> 00:27:12,440 feeling if something else was going on 610 00:27:16,450 --> 00:27:14,990 or did you notice anything like that or 611 00:27:19,860 --> 00:27:16,460 did you just see a ball and you didn't 612 00:27:22,540 --> 00:27:19,870 get any other sensations whatsoever I 613 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:22,550 really didn't have what I would consider 614 00:27:30,700 --> 00:27:26,930 a physical kind of sensation from the 615 00:27:34,810 --> 00:27:30,710 ball of light but when you go onto Brown 616 00:27:37,650 --> 00:27:34,820 Mountain you feel different in general 617 00:27:40,570 --> 00:27:37,660 okay even when the lights are not there 618 00:27:42,940 --> 00:27:40,580 I mean when you see a light 619 00:27:46,510 --> 00:27:42,950 you know people frequently toss around 620 00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:46,520 this concept of like ice water running 621 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:50,240 down your back and your hair standing on 622 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:53,210 end I mean that's what happens when you 623 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:54,890 see one of these things close up it 624 00:27:59,560 --> 00:27:56,450 gives you goosebumps I mean you have 625 00:28:03,040 --> 00:27:59,570 that kind of a reaction but when you go 626 00:28:07,690 --> 00:28:03,050 to brown Mountain in general the whole 627 00:28:10,210 --> 00:28:07,700 place feels electrostatically charged I 628 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:10,220 mean it's kind of like putting your hand 629 00:28:16,780 --> 00:28:12,770 up there near the screen of an old 630 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:16,790 television and you there that crackling 631 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:19,210 kind of tickling sensation of 632 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:23,650 electricity there the whole place is 633 00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:26,570 literally will I consider our warp a 634 00:28:31,930 --> 00:28:29,840 portal of vortex I mean we can we can 635 00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:31,940 break that down in a number of ways but 636 00:28:38,890 --> 00:28:35,110 it is one of these spots on planet earth 637 00:28:42,460 --> 00:28:38,900 where energy is being directed both out 638 00:28:45,610 --> 00:28:42,470 of and into the earth in a concentrated 639 00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:45,620 manner and when you reach places like 640 00:28:50,020 --> 00:28:47,510 this and we see this by the way on a 641 00:28:52,690 --> 00:28:50,030 broader scale and the so-called Bermuda 642 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:52,700 Triangle at large right when you go to 643 00:28:56,610 --> 00:28:55,130 these places these are places that 644 00:29:00,510 --> 00:28:56,620 trigger 645 00:29:03,910 --> 00:29:00,520 phantasmagoria of strange things that 646 00:29:07,930 --> 00:29:03,920 includes ghosts include psychic 647 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:07,940 experiences includes the UFOs includes 648 00:29:16,030 --> 00:29:13,490 uh any kind of time shift or or change 649 00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:16,040 in perception because you're stepping 650 00:29:23,380 --> 00:29:19,600 into a place where as I as I believe 651 00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:23,390 you're you're kind of like in a a portal 652 00:29:28,570 --> 00:29:26,720 of interdimensional weather so that is 653 00:29:31,270 --> 00:29:28,580 to say most of the time there aren't 654 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:31,280 tornados happening but certain times of 655 00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:34,010 year you go to Oklahoma and you know 656 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:36,080 where Tornado Alley is and the 657 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:38,450 conditions are right and and a tornado 658 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:41,090 forms well the same thing happens on an 659 00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:43,930 energy level at some of these places 660 00:29:49,030 --> 00:29:46,880 where there may not always be a tornado 661 00:29:52,750 --> 00:29:49,040 but once in a while the conditions are 662 00:29:56,410 --> 00:29:52,760 right and that's when the the swirling 663 00:29:59,500 --> 00:29:56,420 of energies occurs and you really get to 664 00:30:03,640 --> 00:29:59,510 experience something amazing well you 665 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:03,650 know calm Keller who was with Knapp and 666 00:30:09,700 --> 00:30:05,410 doing all sorts of neat things with 667 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:09,710 skinwalker ranch he I'd asked him about 668 00:30:13,570 --> 00:30:12,170 skinwalker before and said you know is 669 00:30:15,670 --> 00:30:13,580 it still happening there's there's still 670 00:30:18,130 --> 00:30:15,680 a lot of energy and he said no he said 671 00:30:19,630 --> 00:30:18,140 you know what he believes that these 672 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:19,640 things go from a location to location 673 00:30:23,740 --> 00:30:21,530 they just kind of move around along the 674 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:23,750 way so he said you know that where there 675 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:25,850 might be a lot of activity at one time 676 00:30:30,670 --> 00:30:28,490 it may just slowly dissipate and that 677 00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:30,680 was what he said about skinwalker but he 678 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:32,510 said in general he believes that these 679 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:35,210 things just move around do you believe 680 00:30:39,820 --> 00:30:37,130 that Brown Mountain is one of those or 681 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:39,830 is it just consistently every day any 682 00:30:44,140 --> 00:30:42,050 time of the year going to give you that 683 00:30:48,010 --> 00:30:44,150 sensation and you're most likely going 684 00:30:50,890 --> 00:30:48,020 to experience something no no it's not 685 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:50,900 consistent I mean no at this point you 686 00:30:55,420 --> 00:30:52,730 know I've been going up there for for so 687 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:55,430 long I mean we're talking in terms of me 688 00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:57,890 just going up there to look for things I 689 00:31:02,650 --> 00:30:59,360 mean I've been going up there probably 690 00:31:05,340 --> 00:31:02,660 in the neighborhood of 25 years and I've 691 00:31:09,790 --> 00:31:05,350 only seen what I consider a good 692 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:09,800 bonafide display of lights six times 693 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:13,610 in 25 years and so but but those are the 694 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:16,610 occasions when all the little 695 00:31:23,140 --> 00:31:20,210 ingredients are just right and and I 696 00:31:25,930 --> 00:31:23,150 actually wrote a booklet about the Brown 697 00:31:31,540 --> 00:31:25,940 Mountain lights which anybody listening 698 00:31:33,340 --> 00:31:31,550 can download for free on my website if 699 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:33,350 you go to my home page you scroll down 700 00:31:37,330 --> 00:31:35,570 the home page you'll see the cover of 701 00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:37,340 the booklet and you just if you click on 702 00:31:42,220 --> 00:31:39,200 it it's a PDF you can download it for 703 00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:42,230 free where I go over not only that the 704 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:44,510 history and some of my experiences but 705 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:47,690 also some of the predicting factors that 706 00:31:51,130 --> 00:31:49,250 you would keep in mind if you want to 707 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:51,140 have the highest chance as possible of 708 00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:54,290 seeing the light and so your odds of 709 00:32:00,790 --> 00:31:56,510 going there and seeing a light display 710 00:32:03,340 --> 00:32:00,800 are are pretty low but your odds of 711 00:32:11,470 --> 00:32:03,350 going there and experiencing something 712 00:32:13,210 --> 00:32:11,480 weird are pretty high companions that 713 00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:13,220 you take along you just never know when 714 00:32:16,750 --> 00:32:14,960 you're doing something like that well 715 00:32:18,730 --> 00:32:16,760 that sounds interesting so is this stuff 716 00:32:21,250 --> 00:32:18,740 in the day as well as the night I mean 717 00:32:23,140 --> 00:32:21,260 you know sometimes people I don't you 718 00:32:24,850 --> 00:32:23,150 know a lot of people they just want to 719 00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:24,860 go at night and of course that's part of 720 00:32:29,980 --> 00:32:27,710 that fear factor in that room factor but 721 00:32:31,210 --> 00:32:29,990 you know these places that are active 722 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:31,220 you can go in the day and you're gonna 723 00:32:36,190 --> 00:32:34,130 see them just as much in fact you're 724 00:32:40,330 --> 00:32:36,200 gonna see them I think a little better 725 00:32:42,580 --> 00:32:40,340 because it's in the day well you know 726 00:32:46,060 --> 00:32:42,590 this well I'd brown them there are 727 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:46,070 things that did that occur both during 728 00:32:52,510 --> 00:32:48,650 the day and at night but this this whole 729 00:32:56,350 --> 00:32:52,520 question of why is night so significant 730 00:32:59,970 --> 00:32:56,360 I believe has a direct relationship to 731 00:33:03,580 --> 00:32:59,980 the characteristics of Earth's 732 00:33:07,060 --> 00:33:03,590 magnetosphere so for someone listening 733 00:33:10,390 --> 00:33:07,070 who is not familiar with with this the 734 00:33:13,660 --> 00:33:10,400 planet is surrounded by a magnetic field 735 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:13,670 and that is really what makes life 736 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:15,770 possible here because that magnetic 737 00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:19,810 field is shielding us from these 738 00:33:23,380 --> 00:33:22,910 damaging rays that are coming from the 739 00:33:27,070 --> 00:33:23,390 Sun 740 00:33:30,270 --> 00:33:27,080 and so if you look at the earth next to 741 00:33:34,510 --> 00:33:30,280 the Sun in kind of a from kind of a 742 00:33:38,140 --> 00:33:34,520 profile what you see is that the side of 743 00:33:41,530 --> 00:33:38,150 the earth that is facing the Sun has the 744 00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:41,540 magnetic field incredibly compressed and 745 00:33:47,470 --> 00:33:44,870 the side of the earth that is away from 746 00:33:51,370 --> 00:33:47,480 the Sun has a field that is nice and 747 00:33:54,130 --> 00:33:51,380 expanded and calm and that's one of the 748 00:33:56,530 --> 00:33:54,140 reasons for example that you can pick up 749 00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:56,540 radio stations at night that you might 750 00:34:02,140 --> 00:33:58,250 not be able to pick up during the day 751 00:34:03,940 --> 00:34:02,150 that's because those signals from the 752 00:34:06,820 --> 00:34:03,950 station are bouncing off of the 753 00:34:09,490 --> 00:34:06,830 ionosphere and there and the D 754 00:34:11,889 --> 00:34:09,500 ionosphere is controlled by the design 755 00:34:14,109 --> 00:34:11,899 of the magnetosphere and they're 756 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:14,119 bouncing off at different angles so at 757 00:34:20,169 --> 00:34:17,810 night the it when it expands you you get 758 00:34:22,450 --> 00:34:20,179 these signals that are bouncing off and 759 00:34:24,820 --> 00:34:22,460 are able to hit an angle where they go 760 00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:24,830 much much farther but the side of the 761 00:34:29,530 --> 00:34:26,960 earth that's facing the Sun that has 762 00:34:33,010 --> 00:34:29,540 that very compressed field also has a 763 00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:33,020 very disrupted field and so ultimately 764 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:35,510 the side of the earth that's facing the 765 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:38,450 Sun it has a lot of sort of subtle 766 00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,050 energies that are being overwhelmed it's 767 00:34:46,570 --> 00:34:44,240 kind of like turning off a flashlight on 768 00:34:48,369 --> 00:34:46,580 a sunny day you know if somebody turns 769 00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:48,379 on a flashlight and pointed at you on a 770 00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:50,480 sunny day it's not going to have the 771 00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:52,730 same impact it will if they do it in the 772 00:34:57,940 --> 00:34:55,040 middle of a dark night it's the same 773 00:35:00,400 --> 00:34:57,950 device it's got the same batteries it's 774 00:35:03,970 --> 00:35:00,410 putting out the same photons but it has 775 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:03,980 more impact on a dark night and so some 776 00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:08,090 of these things are sort of buried under 777 00:35:13,390 --> 00:35:10,310 all of the disruption of the sun's rays 778 00:35:17,620 --> 00:35:13,400 and then at night these has things that 779 00:35:20,530 --> 00:35:17,630 are very subtle become pronounced and so 780 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:20,540 there is always some kind of activity 781 00:35:27,820 --> 00:35:23,570 happening at these hotspots but at night 782 00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:27,830 is when they really shine well that's 783 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:30,800 also when it gets really scary but 784 00:35:37,090 --> 00:35:32,690 that's what it's about - I like that so 785 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:37,100 Brown Mountain you know I 786 00:35:41,860 --> 00:35:40,130 remember that you had also seen a UFO 787 00:35:44,890 --> 00:35:41,870 you detect it when it was going to be 788 00:35:47,170 --> 00:35:44,900 seen was that there or was that Puerto 789 00:35:49,770 --> 00:35:47,180 Rico or am i thinking of another area 790 00:35:54,540 --> 00:35:49,780 about the lights that you actually 791 00:35:57,460 --> 00:35:54,550 planned to occur at a certain time 792 00:36:03,520 --> 00:35:57,470 well you you're probably thinking of the 793 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:03,530 Arecibo projects yeah and that was in 794 00:36:09,940 --> 00:36:06,890 Puerto Rico as I mentioned I spend a 795 00:36:12,940 --> 00:36:09,950 good chunk of my time every year in 796 00:36:15,370 --> 00:36:12,950 Puerto Rico because that's pretty much 797 00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:15,380 the center of the Bermuda Triangle 798 00:36:23,770 --> 00:36:20,510 and this digs into a very sort of deep 799 00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:23,780 complex territory because I have always 800 00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:28,910 wondered how much UFO activity is 801 00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:31,510 something that seems to be objective and 802 00:36:38,350 --> 00:36:35,510 external versus how much might be the 803 00:36:42,580 --> 00:36:38,360 product of what we ourselves can create 804 00:36:44,350 --> 00:36:42,590 almost like a Tulpa and for those not 805 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:44,360 familiar with that term it's a Tibetan 806 00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:47,570 term basically it is a thought form it 807 00:36:55,090 --> 00:36:50,870 is the idea that if one very focused 808 00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:55,100 person or a collection of people get 809 00:37:01,120 --> 00:36:57,920 together and they all envision something 810 00:37:03,820 --> 00:37:01,130 at some point it literally morphs or 811 00:37:08,110 --> 00:37:03,830 changes reality and you you see this 812 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:08,120 thing so for example many years ago good 813 00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:11,090 friend of mine named Mobius said he said 814 00:37:16,540 --> 00:37:12,800 I swear to God because I went outside 815 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:16,550 one night and I've been trying to 816 00:37:24,780 --> 00:37:20,090 project into the universe that I wanted 817 00:37:28,330 --> 00:37:24,790 to see some kind of UFO and he said I 818 00:37:33,070 --> 00:37:28,340 saw all of a sudden this kind of rickety 819 00:37:37,210 --> 00:37:33,080 old like [\h__\h] like 1930s looking Buck 820 00:37:39,970 --> 00:37:37,220 Rogers ship with rivets and like a 821 00:37:41,860 --> 00:37:39,980 sparkler coming out of the back and he 822 00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:41,870 was with three other people who also and 823 00:37:47,950 --> 00:37:44,480 he said I know absolutely that there is 824 00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:47,960 no aerodynamic explanation for how 825 00:37:54,609 --> 00:37:50,940 something like that should be able 826 00:37:57,980 --> 00:37:54,619 fly through the sky but he grew up 827 00:38:00,890 --> 00:37:57,990 watching all that kind of content and so 828 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:00,900 he believed that at very least he was 829 00:38:05,450 --> 00:38:03,690 influencing the way it appeared and so 830 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:05,460 we've done a number of experiments over 831 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:09,210 the years where we we take large numbers 832 00:38:16,579 --> 00:38:14,130 of people and we say look we all want to 833 00:38:21,020 --> 00:38:16,589 see a UFO at this place 834 00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:21,030 at this time you may or may not give a 835 00:38:27,770 --> 00:38:24,089 advice on how the things should appear 836 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:27,780 but you get everybody focused on a spot 837 00:38:34,309 --> 00:38:30,930 and then you observe that spot and see 838 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:34,319 if sure enough it appears and so we did 839 00:38:42,829 --> 00:38:41,010 this in 2014 in Puerto Rico where of 840 00:38:45,050 --> 00:38:42,839 course you have the largest radio 841 00:38:49,309 --> 00:38:45,060 satellite dish on the planet at the 842 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:49,319 Arecibo Observatory and we did this on 843 00:38:56,210 --> 00:38:53,130 the anniversary of the WoW signal which 844 00:38:57,700 --> 00:38:56,220 was captured in 1977 it was a signal 845 00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:57,710 that said he picked up it was very 846 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:01,440 organized from space they still can't 847 00:39:06,740 --> 00:39:04,530 explain what it was and they never were 848 00:39:09,140 --> 00:39:06,750 able to find it again so he figured this 849 00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,150 is a good a good thing to do on the 850 00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:11,760 anniversary of the WoW signal so it was 851 00:39:19,490 --> 00:39:16,200 in August of 2014 we sent a message into 852 00:39:23,150 --> 00:39:19,500 space recorded by the way by George 853 00:39:27,230 --> 00:39:23,160 Noory and we said you know greetings 854 00:39:28,819 --> 00:39:27,240 space beings you know whatever and we 855 00:39:32,329 --> 00:39:28,829 mean you no harm 856 00:39:34,670 --> 00:39:32,339 and gave a particular set of GPS 857 00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:34,680 coordinates and a time and all that kind 858 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:37,440 of stuff and I had cameras set up on 859 00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:40,530 that spot and we captured something that 860 00:39:46,490 --> 00:39:43,680 we absolutely cannot explain and and and 861 00:39:48,349 --> 00:39:46,500 by the way we used radionics and I know 862 00:39:52,450 --> 00:39:48,359 Connie and you were very familiar with 863 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:52,460 radionics at wishing machines and the 864 00:39:59,390 --> 00:39:55,650 and using the wishing machine I think 865 00:40:02,420 --> 00:39:59,400 made a big impact because I secretly had 866 00:40:04,490 --> 00:40:02,430 a second set of coordinates that I 867 00:40:06,890 --> 00:40:04,500 didn't put out to the public or 868 00:40:10,370 --> 00:40:06,900 were just using radionics and that's 869 00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:10,380 where this craft appeared and flew down 870 00:40:18,070 --> 00:40:13,800 to the camera and then zipped away and 871 00:40:20,660 --> 00:40:18,080 made this strange whistling sound and 872 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:20,670 since then we've we've repeated this 873 00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:22,530 experiment in one form or another and 874 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:25,200 we've gotten the same result so in some 875 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:28,970 cases I think that yes these UFOs can be 876 00:40:36,380 --> 00:40:33,290 worse either receptive to our mental 877 00:40:39,830 --> 00:40:36,390 invitations or are literally the product 878 00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:39,840 of what we expect to see yeah and I 879 00:40:44,690 --> 00:40:42,720 think you know I'm kind of thinking 880 00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,700 about you taking the radionics boxes 881 00:40:47,630 --> 00:40:46,800 over there at a brown mountain and see 882 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:47,640 what happens 883 00:40:53,180 --> 00:40:50,850 at that point I just I'm trying to sign 884 00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:53,190 in to talk to people in the chat room I 885 00:40:55,730 --> 00:40:54,480 know they're asking some questions I'm 886 00:40:57,530 --> 00:40:55,740 trying to figure out how to do that at 887 00:41:01,070 --> 00:40:57,540 the same time but I checked out your 888 00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:01,080 lights on brown on brown Mountain holy 889 00:41:08,450 --> 00:41:04,110 cow on your website that's that's unreal 890 00:41:10,370 --> 00:41:08,460 that is that's solid light going 891 00:41:13,060 --> 00:41:10,380 straight up and then above that there's 892 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:13,070 another set of lights and it looks like 893 00:41:16,580 --> 00:41:15,210 they're kind of blinking a little bit 894 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:16,590 kind of like a lights that would be 895 00:41:22,510 --> 00:41:18,450 around the saucer that was kind of 896 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:22,520 sideways is that also brown Mountain oh 897 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:25,410 yeah well you know I'm on my home page 898 00:41:28,850 --> 00:41:27,210 if you scroll down I've got a couple 899 00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:28,860 Clips there and then there's a whole 900 00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:30,900 other site you can look at that has more 901 00:41:36,890 --> 00:41:34,110 footage and all the footage or I would 902 00:41:39,770 --> 00:41:36,900 say 90% of the footage this stuff that 903 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:39,780 we ourselves captured and you know in 904 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:42,770 fact the National Geographic Channel 905 00:41:51,230 --> 00:41:47,130 sent a crew down to observe our work and 906 00:41:55,490 --> 00:41:51,240 do an episode of a TV program about it 907 00:41:59,330 --> 00:41:55,500 the show was called para para natural 908 00:42:02,810 --> 00:41:59,340 and the the and it was a really really 909 00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:02,820 good program with a great crew and they 910 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:05,310 documented us setting everything up we 911 00:42:12,860 --> 00:42:09,330 captured some phenomenal stuff through 912 00:42:15,170 --> 00:42:12,870 night vision beam war Singh was on the 913 00:42:17,989 --> 00:42:15,180 team that night and the National 914 00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:17,999 Geographic Channel took 915 00:42:22,729 --> 00:42:20,129 and of course we agreed to all this they 916 00:42:25,399 --> 00:42:22,739 took the camera they took the 917 00:42:29,329 --> 00:42:25,409 night-vision goggles and they sent them 918 00:42:33,889 --> 00:42:29,339 to the Princeton optics laboratory and 919 00:42:36,709 --> 00:42:33,899 they had those guys take a look at our 920 00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:36,719 footage and the instruments that we used 921 00:42:42,049 --> 00:42:39,839 to get their opinion of what we captured 922 00:42:45,499 --> 00:42:42,059 and to see if they could explain it and 923 00:42:47,959 --> 00:42:45,509 they said right there the head of the 924 00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:47,969 Princeton optics lab said right there on 925 00:42:54,739 --> 00:42:51,599 national TV we have no explanation for 926 00:42:58,909 --> 00:42:54,749 this we cannot explain it and so it 927 00:43:01,389 --> 00:42:58,919 wasn't a big shocker to me when when dr. 928 00:43:04,729 --> 00:43:01,399 Katyn from appalachian state university 929 00:43:06,649 --> 00:43:04,739 finally you know got something in july 930 00:43:08,749 --> 00:43:06,659 and the funny thing connie you know it's 931 00:43:10,999 --> 00:43:08,759 like guys like myself who are these 932 00:43:12,859 --> 00:43:11,009 quote-unquote paranormal guys we're out 933 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:12,869 there for years capturing weird stuff 934 00:43:22,819 --> 00:43:17,249 and people say hey maybe there's 935 00:43:25,669 --> 00:43:22,829 something but when finally a doctor and 936 00:43:28,369 --> 00:43:25,679 a university you know captures it well 937 00:43:31,399 --> 00:43:28,379 now it's real you know our deaf life and 938 00:43:33,889 --> 00:43:31,409 now they'll probably get grants and and 939 00:43:35,659 --> 00:43:33,899 and donors and they'll be able to do the 940 00:43:37,969 --> 00:43:35,669 research that should have been done this 941 00:43:40,909 --> 00:43:37,979 whole time so I'm happy for that but it 942 00:43:43,219 --> 00:43:40,919 also is a great illustration of how that 943 00:43:46,009 --> 00:43:43,229 people who are involved in paranormal 944 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:46,019 investigation are often sort of 945 00:43:53,449 --> 00:43:50,249 dismissed out of hand when the sad part 946 00:43:56,089 --> 00:43:53,459 is there probably have been so many 947 00:43:59,299 --> 00:43:56,099 people over the years who could have 948 00:44:01,699 --> 00:43:59,309 come forth to talk about seeing the 949 00:44:04,399 --> 00:44:01,709 Brown Mountain lights or some other 950 00:44:06,949 --> 00:44:04,409 strange thing that have not done so 951 00:44:09,979 --> 00:44:06,959 because they fear rid of ridicule and 952 00:44:13,269 --> 00:44:09,989 and and we need to change the best we 953 00:44:16,849 --> 00:44:13,279 can that attitude so that the 954 00:44:19,939 --> 00:44:16,859 educational institutions are cooperating 955 00:44:22,729 --> 00:44:19,949 with their communities and and taking 956 00:44:24,499 --> 00:44:22,739 witnesses more seriously I know it you 957 00:44:26,389 --> 00:44:24,509 know there comes a time that you got to 958 00:44:27,709 --> 00:44:26,399 trust your neighbor I mean everybody is 959 00:44:30,409 --> 00:44:27,719 at a point where they don't believe 960 00:44:31,579 --> 00:44:30,419 anybody at anytime and then there's 961 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:31,589 always people that want to 962 00:44:35,779 --> 00:44:33,690 leave someone because they have some 963 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:35,789 sort of status and they can like just as 964 00:44:39,979 --> 00:44:38,130 much as anybody else so you know I 965 00:44:41,569 --> 00:44:39,989 understand why oh well the scientists 966 00:44:44,569 --> 00:44:41,579 did that or the doctor said this or 967 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:44,579 whatever but you know you you know what 968 00:44:47,959 --> 00:44:46,410 about your best friend that just saw 969 00:44:50,089 --> 00:44:47,969 something and they're white as a ghost 970 00:44:52,190 --> 00:44:50,099 and and they are they're acting like 971 00:44:54,109 --> 00:44:52,200 they've never acted before because they 972 00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:54,119 just saw something you know I've seen 973 00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:56,880 people dismiss that and it's like no why 974 00:45:00,920 --> 00:44:58,680 are you not listening to your best buddy 975 00:45:02,509 --> 00:45:00,930 over here that happens all the way 976 00:45:04,219 --> 00:45:02,519 through a lot of it people just don't 977 00:45:06,410 --> 00:45:04,229 want to admit to it they don't want to 978 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:06,420 live in that world and I also think to 979 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:08,249 Joshua I mean this is just me I was 980 00:45:12,769 --> 00:45:10,410 thinking about it recently that you know 981 00:45:16,009 --> 00:45:12,779 it's those of us that experience it in 982 00:45:17,630 --> 00:45:16,019 the first place and in some way maybe 983 00:45:20,809 --> 00:45:17,640 growing up as a kid where we didn't even 984 00:45:22,549 --> 00:45:20,819 know it maybe we were around something 985 00:45:25,609 --> 00:45:22,559 like myself grew up in a haunted house 986 00:45:28,009 --> 00:45:25,619 and you know you just think that's the 987 00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:28,019 way life is that's its you know that's 988 00:45:31,609 --> 00:45:30,180 all you know so you think everybody else 989 00:45:34,009 --> 00:45:31,619 is going through that and later in life 990 00:45:37,459 --> 00:45:34,019 you realize no you're very different 991 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:37,469 however does make you sensitive and also 992 00:45:42,109 --> 00:45:40,170 very much wanting to search out strange 993 00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:42,119 things because they've been around you 994 00:45:45,499 --> 00:45:43,440 all the time you don't even think it's 995 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:45,509 anything different you know you again 996 00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:46,890 you think everybody should think that 997 00:45:52,430 --> 00:45:49,440 way so I think that the people that are 998 00:45:56,059 --> 00:45:52,440 so skeptical and and they don't want to 999 00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:56,069 believe anything I think they've just 1000 00:46:00,049 --> 00:45:58,410 never had any of these experiences 1001 00:46:02,180 --> 00:46:00,059 they've never been in the right place at 1002 00:46:04,579 --> 00:46:02,190 the right time and that's something that 1003 00:46:06,589 --> 00:46:04,589 people like you and I and people that 1004 00:46:08,809 --> 00:46:06,599 listen to the show we've had those 1005 00:46:10,609 --> 00:46:08,819 experiences you can't tell us this stuff 1006 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:10,619 isn't true we know that it is and 1007 00:46:16,219 --> 00:46:14,249 anybody that comes along to say to fake 1008 00:46:18,499 --> 00:46:16,229 this stuff I mean first of all hoaxers 1009 00:46:20,930 --> 00:46:18,509 fakers they're losers okay because if 1010 00:46:23,870 --> 00:46:20,940 they think that they're gonna make money 1011 00:46:27,859 --> 00:46:23,880 off of this they don't I do not know a 1012 00:46:30,140 --> 00:46:27,869 rich paranormal person UFO person crop 1013 00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,150 circle person I mean if so they were 1014 00:46:35,479 --> 00:46:32,640 already wealthy before they got into it 1015 00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:35,489 they probably lost some once they have 1016 00:46:39,170 --> 00:46:37,049 gotten into it because you do start 1017 00:46:41,779 --> 00:46:39,180 losing work you start losing jobs you 1018 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:41,789 start losing friends you start losing 1019 00:46:45,499 --> 00:46:43,650 relationships along the way when you do 1020 00:46:49,009 --> 00:46:45,509 start talking open 1021 00:46:50,629 --> 00:46:49,019 about this and you know I mean some 1022 00:46:52,549 --> 00:46:50,639 people might accept lights in the sky 1023 00:46:54,349 --> 00:46:52,559 and they might accept some of the things 1024 00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:54,359 happening up on brown Mountain they 1025 00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,130 might accept your lights but they might 1026 00:47:00,139 --> 00:46:58,319 not accept that you know maybe there's a 1027 00:47:01,639 --> 00:47:00,149 dog man in those mountains as well they 1028 00:47:04,429 --> 00:47:01,649 might not accept that there's an 1029 00:47:06,319 --> 00:47:04,439 underground alien base there so it's 1030 00:47:08,209 --> 00:47:06,329 it's definitely conversations that we 1031 00:47:10,399 --> 00:47:08,219 all could have over you know some 1032 00:47:15,709 --> 00:47:10,409 margaritas or a nice bottle of wine or 1033 00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:15,719 whatever you like but it's uh it just 1034 00:47:20,089 --> 00:47:17,729 gets aggravating because to me I don't 1035 00:47:21,319 --> 00:47:20,099 want to talk about 101 paranormal I I 1036 00:47:23,299 --> 00:47:21,329 don't want to talk about is it true or 1037 00:47:24,739 --> 00:47:23,309 not I want to get in there and ask about 1038 00:47:26,479 --> 00:47:24,749 the details and see what they are 1039 00:47:29,419 --> 00:47:26,489 because I already know that this stuff 1040 00:47:31,069 --> 00:47:29,429 is real and sometimes people think they 1041 00:47:33,649 --> 00:47:31,079 see something as you know when people 1042 00:47:35,899 --> 00:47:33,659 look at pictures all the time a lot of 1043 00:47:38,179 --> 00:47:35,909 people see orbs and it's just a bug or 1044 00:47:39,889 --> 00:47:38,189 dust you know that happens a lot and 1045 00:47:41,569 --> 00:47:39,899 that's okay you know as long as people 1046 00:47:43,429 --> 00:47:41,579 can get trained on that and really learn 1047 00:47:46,579 --> 00:47:43,439 because it gets kind of old once in a 1048 00:47:48,439 --> 00:47:46,589 while and it's like there's another 1049 00:47:51,499 --> 00:47:48,449 piece of dust turn the air conditioner 1050 00:47:54,349 --> 00:47:51,509 off you know it's like recently I was at 1051 00:47:55,459 --> 00:47:54,359 Waverly Hills Sanatorium and they have 1052 00:47:58,009 --> 00:47:55,469 these security cameras they're 1053 00:48:01,939 --> 00:47:58,019 absolutely unbelievable and you know of 1054 00:48:05,179 --> 00:48:01,949 Waverly correct I do yeah okay they had 1055 00:48:06,799 --> 00:48:05,189 they show some footage from years back 1056 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:06,809 and I don't I don't even know I think 1057 00:48:09,769 --> 00:48:08,249 they could probably get footage all the 1058 00:48:10,999 --> 00:48:09,779 time but it just happened to be one that 1059 00:48:13,789 --> 00:48:11,009 they had in their phone when they were 1060 00:48:16,370 --> 00:48:13,799 showing me and this stuff was it would 1061 00:48:19,399 --> 00:48:16,380 it looked like maybe air conditioning 1062 00:48:21,709 --> 00:48:19,409 was blowing something however the air 1063 00:48:23,949 --> 00:48:21,719 conditioning wasn't on there was no wind 1064 00:48:27,699 --> 00:48:23,959 outside because that building is totally 1065 00:48:30,439 --> 00:48:27,709 wide-open right so that was part of the 1066 00:48:32,359 --> 00:48:30,449 healing of these people is to keep it 1067 00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:32,369 wide open and everybody get fresh air to 1068 00:48:38,269 --> 00:48:36,209 hopefully he'll TB but as this stuff the 1069 00:48:40,729 --> 00:48:38,279 cameras on this one area and something 1070 00:48:43,279 --> 00:48:40,739 is just like tons and tons of these like 1071 00:48:46,969 --> 00:48:43,289 little tiny almost like little fairies 1072 00:48:48,679 --> 00:48:46,979 almost like little tiny little what was 1073 00:48:50,479 --> 00:48:48,689 the little fairy and Peter Pan Tinker 1074 00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:50,489 Bell's little Tinker Bell's is all over 1075 00:48:54,409 --> 00:48:52,529 just flying through individually and 1076 00:48:56,749 --> 00:48:54,419 just going to the left going to the 1077 00:48:59,160 --> 00:48:56,759 right all go in the same way and you 1078 00:49:01,530 --> 00:48:59,170 would think at first this is went but 1079 00:49:03,780 --> 00:49:01,540 then it continues on then it takes 1080 00:49:06,990 --> 00:49:03,790 different directions as it as it had 1081 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:07,000 intelligence of some sort and you know 1082 00:49:10,620 --> 00:49:08,890 you just got to start looking at these 1083 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:10,630 things and going man you know whatever 1084 00:49:17,940 --> 00:49:14,010 this is instead of denying it instead of 1085 00:49:20,190 --> 00:49:17,950 not believing somebody go with it enjoy 1086 00:49:21,690 --> 00:49:20,200 it and enjoy the xscape ISM enjoy the 1087 00:49:23,010 --> 00:49:21,700 the fact that this is fun it's 1088 00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:23,020 interesting and it's a whole lot better 1089 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:25,839 than arguing about politics even though 1090 00:49:31,049 --> 00:49:27,730 this election year is actually an 1091 00:49:34,109 --> 00:49:31,059 exciting one when it comes to in terms 1092 00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:34,119 of in fighting or not fighting but you 1093 00:49:37,890 --> 00:49:36,400 know what I'm saying this is um this is 1094 00:49:39,390 --> 00:49:37,900 a conversation we can have over and over 1095 00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:39,400 again about any of these subjects but 1096 00:49:43,980 --> 00:49:42,160 I'm just glad that I'm open to it that 1097 00:49:46,170 --> 00:49:43,990 I'm listening to it that I've seen it 1098 00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:46,180 myself so that I can hear more and learn 1099 00:49:51,450 --> 00:49:48,730 more and get into you know get past that 1100 00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:51,460 101 is it true or not so when I hear 1101 00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:52,960 stories from somebody like you that goes 1102 00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:55,569 out themselves and and sees these things 1103 00:49:58,890 --> 00:49:57,280 and the video that you have on there 1104 00:50:00,809 --> 00:49:58,900 about the mountain of those lights those 1105 00:50:02,910 --> 00:50:00,819 are really really cool I mean that's 1106 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:02,920 that's a great shot - what did you shoot 1107 00:50:08,940 --> 00:50:04,930 that with I mean that's that's rare to 1108 00:50:13,289 --> 00:50:08,950 get well the original footage that was 1109 00:50:15,180 --> 00:50:13,299 shot in 2001 by Brian Irish he and I 1110 00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:15,190 were right there we're part of the same 1111 00:50:23,099 --> 00:50:19,359 expedition he was just using a typical 1112 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:23,109 Sony Handycam and it really was a matter 1113 00:50:30,140 --> 00:50:25,450 of being at the right place at the right 1114 00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:30,150 time and and also I mean a lot of these 1115 00:50:36,299 --> 00:50:33,730 these cameras that are being used 1116 00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:36,309 nowadays have filters on them which the 1117 00:50:41,460 --> 00:50:39,760 older cameras did not have so we were we 1118 00:50:43,470 --> 00:50:41,470 were fortunate to be you know some of 1119 00:50:46,890 --> 00:50:43,480 the first dedicated people to get up 1120 00:50:49,650 --> 00:50:46,900 there and and use that technology which 1121 00:50:51,930 --> 00:50:49,660 was pretty new at the time to document 1122 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:51,940 this and but you know it's funny 1123 00:50:57,809 --> 00:50:54,130 speaking to the larger point that you 1124 00:51:02,579 --> 00:50:57,819 make on me is that I find it amazing 1125 00:51:07,010 --> 00:51:02,589 that if you talk to the absolute most 1126 00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:07,020 you know strict non-believing atheistic 1127 00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:10,960 rationalist materialist scientists they 1128 00:51:14,940 --> 00:51:12,730 themselves the cosmology 1129 00:51:17,850 --> 00:51:14,950 and the astrophysicist have to admit 1130 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:17,860 that when we look out there and 1131 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:21,210 everything in the observable universe 1132 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:26,290 over 95% of it is composed of what we 1133 00:51:32,070 --> 00:51:29,650 call dark matter and dark energy which 1134 00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:32,080 is defined by the very fact that we have 1135 00:51:37,860 --> 00:51:34,000 no clue what it is 1136 00:51:44,370 --> 00:51:37,870 so if scientifically we cannot say that 1137 00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,380 we we know if we can if we can say look 1138 00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:46,480 look we don't know what ninety-five 1139 00:51:51,210 --> 00:51:48,910 percent of this is how could we be so 1140 00:51:53,310 --> 00:51:51,220 arrogant and egocentric to pretend that 1141 00:51:56,070 --> 00:51:53,320 we know what is possible and what is 1142 00:51:59,010 --> 00:51:56,080 impossible and and you also of course 1143 00:52:01,400 --> 00:51:59,020 run into these these areas where you 1144 00:52:04,410 --> 00:52:01,410 have scientists who are studying 1145 00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:04,420 something and they don't get the result 1146 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:06,880 they want and then they say well we'll 1147 00:52:15,810 --> 00:52:12,250 call that the placebo effect right just 1148 00:52:17,250 --> 00:52:15,820 throw that little percentage away we got 1149 00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:17,260 we got a real result but we can't 1150 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:20,800 explain it Lucido so I mean it's 1151 00:52:28,590 --> 00:52:24,130 incredible to me that so many people out 1152 00:52:32,910 --> 00:52:28,600 there are inclined to to trust in these 1153 00:52:36,570 --> 00:52:32,920 these systems that have done a very good 1154 00:52:41,220 --> 00:52:36,580 job of explaining a lot of activity in 1155 00:52:43,710 --> 00:52:41,230 the world but I am a pro science guy and 1156 00:52:47,310 --> 00:52:43,720 I can tell you right now scientifically 1157 00:52:49,650 --> 00:52:47,320 I cannot prove to you what I dreamed 1158 00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:49,660 last night when I went to sleep I'm a 1159 00:52:55,170 --> 00:52:53,440 very vivid dreamer and I I mean I had 1160 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:55,180 this experience I can't prove to you 1161 00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:55,810 what it was 1162 00:53:01,650 --> 00:52:58,450 I can't scientifically prove to you that 1163 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:01,660 I love somebody I can't scientifically 1164 00:53:09,450 --> 00:53:06,210 prove to you that I just sense or 1165 00:53:11,070 --> 00:53:09,460 experience a certain flavor when I eat 1166 00:53:13,020 --> 00:53:11,080 chocolate I mean maybe you and I both 1167 00:53:15,330 --> 00:53:13,030 eat at bar chocolate and we both like 1168 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:15,340 the way it makes us feel but we don't 1169 00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:17,530 know for experiencing the same thing I 1170 00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:20,710 mean you have to be realistic about the 1171 00:53:25,020 --> 00:53:23,200 boundaries of what science can do and 1172 00:53:26,460 --> 00:53:25,030 you also have to understand that 1173 00:53:29,220 --> 00:53:26,470 ultimately 1174 00:53:32,339 --> 00:53:29,230 everything is filtered to the human of 1175 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:32,349 the human nervous system so if you take 1176 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:35,770 some kind of we'll say a scientific 1177 00:53:43,069 --> 00:53:39,010 instrument a tool well that instrument 1178 00:53:46,319 --> 00:53:43,079 was designed by human created by a human 1179 00:53:48,990 --> 00:53:46,329 calibrated by human used by a human 1180 00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:49,000 interpreted by a human you can't take 1181 00:53:55,500 --> 00:53:52,240 the human being out of the equation and 1182 00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,510 going back to this sort of unknown 1183 00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:57,599 element when it comes to what we 1184 00:54:04,140 --> 00:54:00,480 understand about the universe around us 1185 00:54:06,839 --> 00:54:04,150 the one thing that is paranormal that 1186 00:54:10,380 --> 00:54:06,849 everybody should be able to agree upon 1187 00:54:13,319 --> 00:54:10,390 the one thing that is paranormal is life 1188 00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:13,329 I mean we look around we have this 1189 00:54:18,540 --> 00:54:16,720 gigantic black void around us with all 1190 00:54:22,380 --> 00:54:18,550 these dead rocks and in the middle is 1191 00:54:24,750 --> 00:54:22,390 this thriving bustling pale blue dot 1192 00:54:26,609 --> 00:54:24,760 this Carl Sagan called it and here here 1193 00:54:29,010 --> 00:54:26,619 are you and I talking to each other and 1194 00:54:31,500 --> 00:54:29,020 and you know we have we have 1195 00:54:35,130 --> 00:54:31,510 cheeseburgers and we have beer and we 1196 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:35,140 have boats and we have airplanes you 1197 00:54:39,329 --> 00:54:37,450 know I mean we have to understand we are 1198 00:54:42,270 --> 00:54:39,339 living in the middle of a mystical 1199 00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:42,280 experience and so it's so funny how 1200 00:54:47,970 --> 00:54:45,730 people kind of like talk themselves out 1201 00:54:50,220 --> 00:54:47,980 of seeing what's right there in front of 1202 00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,230 them we don't even know why we're here I 1203 00:54:53,970 --> 00:54:52,000 mean we're just biding time you know 1204 00:54:55,890 --> 00:54:53,980 it's like well during this time let's 1205 00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:55,900 see I could make some money and I could 1206 00:54:59,280 --> 00:54:57,760 buy that boat that I want to buy and and 1207 00:55:00,750 --> 00:54:59,290 I can be on the water that's what that's 1208 00:55:03,180 --> 00:55:00,760 what I'll do when people actually stop 1209 00:55:07,260 --> 00:55:03,190 and think that what am I doing here 1210 00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:07,270 you're not here to just be born that go 1211 00:55:11,250 --> 00:55:09,040 to kindergarten you know or nursery 1212 00:55:13,170 --> 00:55:11,260 school then pre-k kindergarten first 1213 00:55:14,849 --> 00:55:13,180 grade well you know through twelfth and 1214 00:55:17,010 --> 00:55:14,859 then college and then work and you know 1215 00:55:19,140 --> 00:55:17,020 that's something we've designed in a lot 1216 00:55:21,300 --> 00:55:19,150 of people we've decided to follow that 1217 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:21,310 and some of us have happened and some of 1218 00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:23,530 us have not but you know we're not here 1219 00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:28,720 to work we're not here to I don't know 1220 00:55:31,890 --> 00:55:30,400 whatever it is that you might want to do 1221 00:55:33,660 --> 00:55:31,900 we're here for some other reason we 1222 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:33,670 don't even know what that reason is I 1223 00:55:38,190 --> 00:55:36,010 maybe it's for somebody else out there 1224 00:55:39,870 --> 00:55:38,200 to watch us it's you know this giant 1225 00:55:41,519 --> 00:55:39,880 virtual reality game you know 1226 00:55:43,769 --> 00:55:41,529 I really think there's something to that 1227 00:55:46,980 --> 00:55:43,779 and they're just watching us and it's 1228 00:55:48,749 --> 00:55:46,990 fun you know we are the sea monkeys you 1229 00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:48,759 know who knows we don't even know that 1230 00:55:53,519 --> 00:55:52,089 much less what's uh and then what we do 1231 00:55:55,710 --> 00:55:53,529 know on this planet we don't even know 1232 00:55:57,359 --> 00:55:55,720 half of the stuff that's in the waters 1233 00:55:58,799 --> 00:55:57,369 we don't know half the stuff we don't 1234 00:56:02,309 --> 00:55:58,809 know what's going on in Brown Mountain 1235 00:56:04,289 --> 00:56:02,319 we don't know a lot of things even when 1236 00:56:06,299 --> 00:56:04,299 it comes to cooking you know what's a 1237 00:56:08,849 --> 00:56:06,309 CIA Culinary Institute of America 1238 00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:08,859 there's still questions ourselves about 1239 00:56:13,140 --> 00:56:11,410 what happens when we cook I mean a lot 1240 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:13,150 of scientific stuff actually goes on 1241 00:56:17,339 --> 00:56:14,650 when you're cooking especially baking 1242 00:56:19,230 --> 00:56:17,349 and they've got a lot of that that they 1243 00:56:21,210 --> 00:56:19,240 know what happens but it's very 1244 00:56:22,829 --> 00:56:21,220 scientific but then there's something 1245 00:56:24,749 --> 00:56:22,839 saying we don't know we just like it 1246 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:24,759 especially with remote viewing if you 1247 00:56:28,170 --> 00:56:26,410 want to get back into some really cool 1248 00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:28,180 paranormal stuff and I hate the word 1249 00:56:32,609 --> 00:56:30,250 paranormal too because it doesn't really 1250 00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:32,619 it's not as cool as it should be with 1251 00:56:37,049 --> 00:56:34,930 all the things that we all love but even 1252 00:56:38,940 --> 00:56:37,059 remote viewing it's like what what 1253 00:56:41,099 --> 00:56:38,950 happened how come I can see things when 1254 00:56:43,859 --> 00:56:41,109 I when I remove you and I'm talking to 1255 00:56:47,279 --> 00:56:43,869 military-style remote viewing you know 1256 00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:47,289 why is it that my body's here I'm wide 1257 00:56:53,700 --> 00:56:50,890 awake and I can one of the terms is wink 1258 00:56:55,980 --> 00:56:53,710 at the site or actually by locate there 1259 00:56:56,339 --> 00:56:55,990 why is that and you ask these guys that 1260 00:56:59,160 --> 00:56:56,349 did it 1261 00:57:02,130 --> 00:56:59,170 every day for decades for the military 1262 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:02,140 they say oh we don't know I mean we can 1263 00:57:07,410 --> 00:57:04,930 guess but we really don't know we snow 1264 00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:07,420 works so we move forward it's like in LP 1265 00:57:12,660 --> 00:57:08,799 if you're familiar with neuro linguistic 1266 00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:12,670 programming NLP is the same way a lot of 1267 00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:16,000 these guys they say you know I can in 30 1268 00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:19,210 minutes let's say that you've been in a 1269 00:57:23,579 --> 00:57:21,190 home where they don't think that you can 1270 00:57:25,529 --> 00:57:23,589 live out independently and you've been 1271 00:57:27,390 --> 00:57:25,539 there since you were a kid and you know 1272 00:57:29,759 --> 00:57:27,400 let's say you've been there 20 years and 1273 00:57:32,670 --> 00:57:29,769 you're still young but they still have 1274 00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:32,680 you in this home well apparently like 1275 00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:34,210 you know I don't know if it's all cases 1276 00:57:38,759 --> 00:57:37,119 but there's stories that have been 1277 00:57:41,099 --> 00:57:38,769 documented that they can go into these 1278 00:57:44,009 --> 00:57:41,109 places and within 30 minutes with neuro 1279 00:57:47,309 --> 00:57:44,019 linguistic programming they can change 1280 00:57:51,509 --> 00:57:47,319 these people to where they can now live 1281 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:51,519 in society and it's only because well 1282 00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:53,450 they don't know what it is 1283 00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:56,240 was my point they can go in there and 1284 00:58:00,520 --> 00:57:58,010 they can ask a few questions and then 1285 00:58:03,700 --> 00:58:00,530 they can clap their hand at the right 1286 00:58:06,550 --> 00:58:03,710 time and next thing you know these folks 1287 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:06,560 are fine the mental issue that they may 1288 00:58:13,060 --> 00:58:10,010 have had or whatever that wherever they 1289 00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:13,070 were stuck now they're unstuck and and 1290 00:58:16,810 --> 00:58:15,170 now they can go a little life and when 1291 00:58:18,790 --> 00:58:16,820 you ask them how did that happen or when 1292 00:58:20,410 --> 00:58:18,800 the people scientific to be I don't care 1293 00:58:21,609 --> 00:58:20,420 I know that it happened and I'm glad 1294 00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:21,619 that that person can get out of that 1295 00:58:26,500 --> 00:58:24,710 home but when you ask scientifically 1296 00:58:28,270 --> 00:58:26,510 they say we don't know we can theorize 1297 00:58:30,130 --> 00:58:28,280 we don't know but it works and we're 1298 00:58:32,859 --> 00:58:30,140 gonna keep doing it and these are things 1299 00:58:36,130 --> 00:58:32,869 like people with multiple personalities 1300 00:58:39,099 --> 00:58:36,140 they are able to that's a one of the 1301 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:39,109 clap methods they are able to talk to 1302 00:58:43,390 --> 00:58:41,570 all of the personalities at once clap 1303 00:58:46,810 --> 00:58:43,400 their hand it brings them all together 1304 00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:46,820 as one personality and you know you can 1305 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:49,730 read about that if you look into NLP a 1306 00:58:55,359 --> 00:58:52,490 lot of people look into NLP now and all 1307 00:58:57,700 --> 00:58:55,369 they see is these ads and commercial 1308 00:59:00,160 --> 00:58:57,710 books about you know use NLP for 1309 00:59:03,940 --> 00:59:00,170 advertising and and how to persuade 1310 00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:03,950 somebody to get what you want but in the 1311 00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:05,210 workforce and things like that 1312 00:59:09,700 --> 00:59:07,280 but if you go to the original books with 1313 00:59:12,819 --> 00:59:09,710 Bandler and the very first one I think 1314 00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:12,829 was called frogs into princes or 1315 00:59:19,210 --> 00:59:16,880 princess into frogs weird name probably 1316 00:59:22,780 --> 00:59:19,220 very hard to get but I actually got one 1317 00:59:23,770 --> 00:59:22,790 and it is amazing but a lot of times 1318 00:59:25,900 --> 00:59:23,780 they're like we don't know how it 1319 00:59:28,290 --> 00:59:25,910 happens we're just no one that it 1320 00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:28,300 happens it's just like the radionics I 1321 00:59:33,339 --> 00:59:30,650 mean you have some ideas and theories 1322 00:59:34,990 --> 00:59:33,349 but it's still like I don't know how it 1323 00:59:38,410 --> 00:59:35,000 happened it happened you get people's 1324 00:59:40,450 --> 00:59:38,420 wishes to occur or dr. Molter and that's 1325 00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:40,460 pretty darn cool I love this kind of 1326 00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:42,079 stuff I don't care about all the answers 1327 00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:43,520 all the time I just want to experience 1328 00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:46,880 it feel it see it and you know find 1329 00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:48,319 people like you this says oh I got this 1330 00:59:52,540 --> 00:59:50,089 place Brown Mountain I got this hot spot 1331 00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:52,550 over here and say let's go and just have 1332 00:59:55,809 --> 00:59:54,079 a good time and enjoy it trying to 1333 01:00:00,790 --> 00:59:55,819 figure it out because it all connects in 1334 01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:00,800 some way for sure and exciting to me oh 1335 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:03,410 by the way people are asking about on 1336 01:00:09,790 --> 01:00:07,010 your website it is folks it's it's 1337 01:00:11,230 --> 01:00:09,800 Joshua P Warren like he said before 1338 01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:11,240 there's no period after the P it's 1339 01:00:17,020 --> 01:00:14,570 Joshua P Warren dot-com and if you go 1340 01:00:18,340 --> 01:00:17,030 there to the home that's where you can 1341 01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:18,350 scroll down that's where you're gonna 1342 01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:20,000 see the Brown Mountain lights and that's 1343 01:00:24,430 --> 01:00:21,680 where you're gonna see those videos and 1344 01:00:26,740 --> 01:00:24,440 then you're also gonna see a book that 1345 01:00:30,099 --> 01:00:26,750 he wrote on this the a viewing guide on 1346 01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:30,109 the Brown Mountain lights and I tell you 1347 01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:33,050 what I think I think somebody could look 1348 01:00:37,900 --> 01:00:35,570 at your websites for days Joshua because 1349 01:00:41,050 --> 01:00:37,910 you have so many things that you're into 1350 01:00:43,540 --> 01:00:41,060 you have so many books you know you 1351 01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:43,550 shoot video you're on TV you know you're 1352 01:00:47,470 --> 01:00:45,290 doing you know you're listening to Nuria 1353 01:00:49,330 --> 01:00:47,480 sing and and did you throw some 1354 01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:49,340 underwear Adam or anything like that I 1355 01:01:04,390 --> 01:00:54,650 think it was me yeah I was the underwear 1356 01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:04,400 thrower no thank you thank you for 1357 01:01:10,990 --> 01:01:06,290 saying all those things because you know 1358 01:01:14,770 --> 01:01:11,000 the funny thing is it's well I'm a fan 1359 01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:14,780 of the quote by Charles Ford and he said 1360 01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:17,119 you can measure a circle beginning 1361 01:01:25,060 --> 01:01:21,730 anywhere and what I discovered is that 1362 01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:25,070 if you get involved in this field that 1363 01:01:30,010 --> 01:01:27,680 people call paranormal and I agree with 1364 01:01:33,460 --> 01:01:30,020 you by the way Connie that that that 1365 01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:33,470 term is maybe not the most appropriate 1366 01:01:38,050 --> 01:01:36,410 because what's paranormal depends on 1367 01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:38,060 what's normal and who decides that 1368 01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:42,160 anymore right but but but nonetheless 1369 01:01:47,230 --> 01:01:44,330 when you get into this this so-called 1370 01:01:49,690 --> 01:01:47,240 paranormal field it doesn't matter if 1371 01:01:55,420 --> 01:01:49,700 you come into it by way of ghosts or 1372 01:01:58,810 --> 01:01:55,430 like I did or or cryptids or ESP or UFOs 1373 01:02:01,300 --> 01:01:58,820 it doesn't matter if you stick with this 1374 01:02:05,230 --> 01:02:01,310 field long enough you will eventually 1375 01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:05,240 see that all of these things connect to 1376 01:02:11,260 --> 01:02:08,570 each other and there yeah and there are 1377 01:02:14,410 --> 01:02:11,270 some people in the UFO field who hate 1378 01:02:17,470 --> 01:02:14,420 that idea because I have talked to to 1379 01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:17,480 some people and ufology to say oh my god 1380 01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:20,930 do not group us in with these wack 1381 01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:24,079 ghost people and big Swift people and 1382 01:02:29,740 --> 01:02:27,770 then psychics and all that and if they 1383 01:02:32,500 --> 01:02:29,750 say this this is more of like a nuts and 1384 01:02:34,990 --> 01:02:32,510 bolts phenomenon you know and that's the 1385 01:02:36,849 --> 01:02:35,000 last thing they want to hear but let me 1386 01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:36,859 explain that's right and before you 1387 01:02:41,170 --> 01:02:38,690 explain before you explain I just want 1388 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:41,180 people to know that the next hour we are 1389 01:02:48,130 --> 01:02:45,010 going to be talking about something that 1390 01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:48,140 Joshua has found I'm just gonna say 1391 01:02:51,549 --> 01:02:50,240 debris okay that's all I'm gonna say I'm 1392 01:02:53,859 --> 01:02:51,559 just gonna tease you that's coming up 1393 01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:53,869 for you in this next coming hour we're 1394 01:02:59,200 --> 01:02:55,730 gonna talk about what Joshua found and 1395 01:03:01,049 --> 01:02:59,210 the key word is debris okay so going 1396 01:03:03,819 --> 01:03:01,059 back to what you were saying Joshua 1397 01:03:06,700 --> 01:03:03,829 absolutely right this stuff all connects 1398 01:03:08,799 --> 01:03:06,710 the UFO people when they say that I just 1399 01:03:13,500 --> 01:03:08,809 shake my head but go ahead I'll let you 1400 01:03:17,079 --> 01:03:13,510 finish that yeah well I you know I I 1401 01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:17,089 appreciate what yeah I appreciate what 1402 01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:20,569 you know these dedicated UFO researchers 1403 01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:21,890 are saying like we don't want to be 1404 01:03:29,819 --> 01:03:23,359 grouped in with all these other you know 1405 01:03:37,809 --> 01:03:34,030 time alright so when somebody talks 1406 01:03:40,299 --> 01:03:37,819 about ghosts they are frequently talking 1407 01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:40,309 about experiencing something that is out 1408 01:03:45,069 --> 01:03:42,530 of its place in time they see some 1409 01:03:47,230 --> 01:03:45,079 somebody or something from the past that 1410 01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:47,240 shouldn't be here any marks so that's a 1411 01:03:52,059 --> 01:03:49,520 pretty obvious one when it comes to 1412 01:03:54,339 --> 01:03:52,069 psychic phenomena yeah time once again 1413 01:03:58,780 --> 01:03:54,349 people are able to perceive information 1414 01:03:59,859 --> 01:03:58,790 from you to the future or the past or or 1415 01:04:05,470 --> 01:03:59,869 you know something along those lines 1416 01:04:08,500 --> 01:04:05,480 when it comes to cryptids often somebody 1417 01:04:12,180 --> 01:04:08,510 will be chasing some creature like 1418 01:04:15,970 --> 01:04:12,190 Bigfoot and suddenly the tracks just end 1419 01:04:19,390 --> 01:04:15,980 knit pathway as if this creature has 1420 01:04:22,089 --> 01:04:19,400 just spirited away in space and we know 1421 01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:22,099 that space and time are connected so 1422 01:04:27,970 --> 01:04:24,770 again there's time but when it comes to 1423 01:04:30,359 --> 01:04:27,980 UFOs I mean you have all these cases 1424 01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:30,369 where you know like there's just a 1425 01:04:34,750 --> 01:04:33,770 stereotypical one guy is driving his 1426 01:04:37,060 --> 01:04:34,760 pickup 1427 01:04:40,330 --> 01:04:37,070 truck you know ten o'clock in the middle 1428 01:04:44,380 --> 01:04:40,340 of Texas on a Wednesday night and he 1429 01:04:48,340 --> 01:04:44,390 sees a saucer over the highway and his 1430 01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:48,350 truck stops operating and then the UFO 1431 01:04:56,290 --> 01:04:51,490 flies away and the truck just starts 1432 01:04:59,380 --> 01:04:56,300 operating again he didn't have to turn 1433 01:05:02,740 --> 01:04:59,390 the ignition if you know it's not like 1434 01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:02,750 it killed the engine I mean it it's 1435 01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:04,730 freezing time now the only reason that 1436 01:05:08,890 --> 01:05:07,130 he might be able to actually continue 1437 01:05:11,500 --> 01:05:08,900 perceiving what's happening is because 1438 01:05:14,950 --> 01:05:11,510 the brain itself is a miniature time 1439 01:05:18,430 --> 01:05:14,960 machine and it's controlling the flow of 1440 01:05:20,410 --> 01:05:18,440 time through consciousness and and so 1441 01:05:22,450 --> 01:05:20,420 again and again and again and not to 1442 01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:22,460 mention people who talk about missing 1443 01:05:28,570 --> 01:05:26,090 time time is the key component that 1444 01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:28,580 connects all of these great mysteries 1445 01:05:35,770 --> 01:05:32,570 and whatever these UFOs are and 1446 01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:35,780 obviously in many cases we might be 1447 01:05:39,340 --> 01:05:37,490 talking about something but that the 1448 01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:39,350 military is doing or something that's 1449 01:05:46,260 --> 01:05:43,130 terrestrially based but if indeed we're 1450 01:05:50,730 --> 01:05:46,270 talking about the exotic technologies 1451 01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:50,740 we're talking about crafts that are 1452 01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:53,359 advanced enough to be able to manipulate 1453 01:05:58,810 --> 01:05:55,970 energy in ways that we don't understand 1454 01:06:02,020 --> 01:05:58,820 and when you do that there's gravity 1455 01:06:04,690 --> 01:06:02,030 involved and gravity is right there 1456 01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:04,700 connected to time and space and so 1457 01:06:14,380 --> 01:06:09,410 anybody listening this UFO podcast who 1458 01:06:17,230 --> 01:06:14,390 thinks no I'm a UFO person and I'm only 1459 01:06:19,060 --> 01:06:17,240 interested in UFOs and it doesn't relate 1460 01:06:20,950 --> 01:06:19,070 to any of this other stuff I'm here to 1461 01:06:22,900 --> 01:06:20,960 tell you if you stick with us long 1462 01:06:24,460 --> 01:06:22,910 enough and you're serious enough and 1463 01:06:27,340 --> 01:06:24,470 you're educated enough and you 1464 01:06:30,010 --> 01:06:27,350 experiment enough you will see no it's 1465 01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:30,020 all connected yeah if you stay open to 1466 01:06:34,330 --> 01:06:32,570 it because I absolutely agree there's 1467 01:06:35,980 --> 01:06:34,340 like a journey that you take when you 1468 01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:35,990 get into this and you stick with it and 1469 01:06:42,730 --> 01:06:39,050 it's hard not to not stick with this 1470 01:06:45,490 --> 01:06:42,740 type of genre as a whole again I hate 1471 01:06:47,410 --> 01:06:45,500 that paranormal world word but but okay 1472 01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:47,420 so like here was my journey because 1473 01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:48,130 somebody got on me 1474 01:06:52,170 --> 01:06:49,930 the other day and they said you know 1475 01:06:54,300 --> 01:06:52,180 you're all about Bigfoot and it's like 1476 01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:54,310 no actually I'm not all about Bigfoot 1477 01:06:59,970 --> 01:06:56,770 grew up in a haunted house 1478 01:07:01,620 --> 01:06:59,980 from there you know you feel things 1479 01:07:03,660 --> 01:07:01,630 you're extremely sensitive and why are 1480 01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:03,670 you extremely sensitive at least in my 1481 01:07:08,940 --> 01:07:05,920 case because every case is different my 1482 01:07:11,490 --> 01:07:08,950 case I'm extremely sensitive because I 1483 01:07:14,550 --> 01:07:11,500 wanted to know as a kid where that ghost 1484 01:07:17,070 --> 01:07:14,560 was because I wanted to be far away as 1485 01:07:20,070 --> 01:07:17,080 possible because I'm scared of death so 1486 01:07:23,070 --> 01:07:20,080 I became very sensitive I wanted to know 1487 01:07:26,730 --> 01:07:23,080 where it was I can run the other way and 1488 01:07:28,890 --> 01:07:26,740 that's what I did so when you believe 1489 01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:28,900 that then you start watching you know TV 1490 01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:31,090 shows documentaries got grown up with 1491 01:07:36,090 --> 01:07:34,000 you know good-o and Twilight Zone was 1492 01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:36,100 like reruns what I was watching so don't 1493 01:07:39,780 --> 01:07:37,570 you know just what everybody no I wasn't 1494 01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:39,790 watching him when they were live or knew 1495 01:07:45,690 --> 01:07:41,770 I was watching Miss reruns I'm not that 1496 01:07:46,890 --> 01:07:45,700 old but those you know wake you up to 1497 01:07:48,030 --> 01:07:46,900 other things and you start looking at 1498 01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:48,040 other things and you read other things 1499 01:07:54,540 --> 01:07:51,970 and then you're interested in I guess 1500 01:07:56,130 --> 01:07:54,550 ESP is cool because amazing Kreskin was 1501 01:07:57,930 --> 01:07:56,140 what's happening at one point so you 1502 01:08:00,810 --> 01:07:57,940 you're into all this stuff and you're 1503 01:08:02,310 --> 01:08:00,820 you're you're interested but also you 1504 01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:02,320 can kind of relate to it you're like 1505 01:08:06,300 --> 01:08:04,810 whoa that's pretty neat he he knew 1506 01:08:08,370 --> 01:08:06,310 something that was gonna happen and I've 1507 01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:08,380 done that so you know all these little 1508 01:08:11,820 --> 01:08:10,330 things start sparking off of it but when 1509 01:08:13,530 --> 01:08:11,830 it comes to checking things out I 1510 01:08:17,340 --> 01:08:13,540 remember lights in the sky you know 1511 01:08:19,950 --> 01:08:17,350 seeing things in the sky and okay that's 1512 01:08:21,900 --> 01:08:19,960 interesting but if you start your start 1513 01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:21,910 getting into that then you got to wonder 1514 01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:25,570 what's behind that light and sky and is 1515 01:08:31,260 --> 01:08:28,210 if that's from some other planet or 1516 01:08:33,690 --> 01:08:31,270 maybe it's even from here you know what 1517 01:08:36,930 --> 01:08:33,700 is driving it what does it look like 1518 01:08:39,660 --> 01:08:36,940 what is that what's going on there well 1519 01:08:42,540 --> 01:08:39,670 that's where and this was what was dr. 1520 01:08:44,730 --> 01:08:42,550 David Jacobs spoke about he said he used 1521 01:08:46,530 --> 01:08:44,740 to study lights and then he realized 1522 01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:46,540 that that was pretty boring because it 1523 01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:48,610 was just lights he said you know I want 1524 01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:50,290 to know what they are so the way to do 1525 01:08:52,830 --> 01:08:51,970 that is to get inside of them how do you 1526 01:08:55,170 --> 01:08:52,840 get inside of them 1527 01:08:57,270 --> 01:08:55,180 well you talk to people that claim that 1528 01:08:59,580 --> 01:08:57,280 they've been taken up in them and asked 1529 01:09:02,039 --> 01:08:59,590 them what they see so that's how he got 1530 01:09:03,629 --> 01:09:02,049 into it with with Budd Hopkins 1531 01:09:05,609 --> 01:09:03,639 was already doing and he loved but and 1532 01:09:07,589 --> 01:09:05,619 they became really good friends and all 1533 01:09:08,819 --> 01:09:07,599 that kind of stuff but he did years and 1534 01:09:11,309 --> 01:09:08,829 years and years of this kind of thing 1535 01:09:12,959 --> 01:09:11,319 and I like his analogy there oh hey man 1536 01:09:14,609 --> 01:09:12,969 you know I wanted to know it was insight 1537 01:09:16,890 --> 01:09:14,619 so you're right so you get to that point 1538 01:09:18,629 --> 01:09:16,900 then what's your insight and you believe 1539 01:09:20,849 --> 01:09:18,639 that there's creatures walking around 1540 01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:20,859 and flying around and visiting and all 1541 01:09:25,229 --> 01:09:22,719 that kind of stuff then you get into 1542 01:09:26,939 --> 01:09:25,239 things like hybridization project I 1543 01:09:28,559 --> 01:09:26,949 would have never thought I would have 1544 01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:28,569 believed something like that years ago I 1545 01:09:31,289 --> 01:09:30,130 would have been like that is nuts but 1546 01:09:33,450 --> 01:09:31,299 you know what every time you hear 1547 01:09:35,669 --> 01:09:33,460 something that sounds nuts and you say 1548 01:09:38,669 --> 01:09:35,679 it's nuts I stopped saying that now 1549 01:09:40,530 --> 01:09:38,679 because I end up getting to that point 1550 01:09:42,569 --> 01:09:40,540 and it is a point that you got to 1551 01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:42,579 gradually get to so once you get to that 1552 01:09:47,010 --> 01:09:45,130 point then then there's hybrids ok then 1553 01:09:49,950 --> 01:09:47,020 at one point I was I was working with 1554 01:09:51,629 --> 01:09:49,960 them some websites and they were asking 1555 01:09:53,459 --> 01:09:51,639 for paranormal content because I do 1556 01:09:56,010 --> 01:09:53,469 television work I knew a lot of people 1557 01:09:59,839 --> 01:09:56,020 in that field and I was able to get you 1558 01:10:02,819 --> 01:09:59,849 know like James Fox and Tim Coleman with 1559 01:10:05,580 --> 01:10:02,829 out of the blue and you know all these 1560 01:10:07,919 --> 01:10:05,590 really great great documentaries for 1561 01:10:09,540 --> 01:10:07,929 this paranormal site and they even call 1562 01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:09,550 it paranormal like no no you can't do 1563 01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:12,159 that but they did it but it's the 1564 01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:14,290 general public that gets it we all are 1565 01:10:16,770 --> 01:10:15,250 different when it comes to that 1566 01:10:20,910 --> 01:10:16,780 paranormal world but the general public 1567 01:10:23,490 --> 01:10:20,920 gets it so at one point some Bigfoot 1568 01:10:25,260 --> 01:10:23,500 information was given to me so I you 1569 01:10:27,870 --> 01:10:25,270 know one thing led to another I was able 1570 01:10:31,770 --> 01:10:27,880 to go to a location they invited me out 1571 01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:31,780 I got to know everybody and as I went to 1572 01:10:37,530 --> 01:10:35,040 interview people at this Bigfoot site I 1573 01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:37,540 started realizing when they were telling 1574 01:10:44,399 --> 01:10:41,170 their stories that okay they just said 1575 01:10:46,799 --> 01:10:44,409 that something like mine speak they said 1576 01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:46,809 these Bigfoot creatures talk to them 1577 01:10:51,810 --> 01:10:49,449 through the mine now because it's a 1578 01:10:54,330 --> 01:10:51,820 Native American you know where you hear 1579 01:10:56,129 --> 01:10:54,340 a lot of Bigfoot stuff it's called my 1580 01:10:59,250 --> 01:10:56,139 speak but in the et world it's called 1581 01:11:02,790 --> 01:10:59,260 telepathy okay hmm they see lights in 1582 01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:02,800 this guy around Bigfoot wow that's 1583 01:11:07,770 --> 01:11:04,570 interesting what men in black they've 1584 01:11:11,069 --> 01:11:07,780 actually seen areas with men in black 1585 01:11:14,250 --> 01:11:11,079 type you know vehicles and people coming 1586 01:11:15,629 --> 01:11:14,260 into town asking questions you know it 1587 01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:15,639 things started real a 1588 01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:18,730 what they were telling me I was also 1589 01:11:22,350 --> 01:11:20,110 hearing with people that have been 1590 01:11:26,250 --> 01:11:22,360 abducted and I thought holy cow these 1591 01:11:27,359 --> 01:11:26,260 things freakin relate so so you know and 1592 01:11:28,530 --> 01:11:27,369 then two gets deeper and deeper if you 1593 01:11:30,180 --> 01:11:28,540 get into the Bigfoot world because 1594 01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:30,190 they're there then they're gone 1595 01:11:34,050 --> 01:11:32,080 then there's portals or the 1596 01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:34,060 interdimensional are they getting onto a 1597 01:11:38,189 --> 01:11:36,130 ship because you know Stan Gordon will 1598 01:11:40,140 --> 01:11:38,199 talk to you about UFOs and Bigfoots 1599 01:11:42,570 --> 01:11:40,150 there's a spaceship and you'll see 1600 01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:42,580 silhouette of Bigfoot's going into them 1601 01:11:49,140 --> 01:11:46,320 so you know they absolutely relate and 1602 01:11:50,609 --> 01:11:49,150 again it's an exciting journey but mine 1603 01:11:53,250 --> 01:11:50,619 went that a way where I know some other 1604 01:11:56,340 --> 01:11:53,260 people they went from the Bigfoot study 1605 01:11:58,770 --> 01:11:56,350 and Bigfoot and now realizing oh my gosh 1606 01:12:00,840 --> 01:11:58,780 there's UFOs and the sky are spaceships 1607 01:12:03,209 --> 01:12:00,850 in the sky are lights in the sky around 1608 01:12:05,729 --> 01:12:03,219 this area that I see these creatures all 1609 01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:05,739 the time so now they're going oh my gosh 1610 01:12:11,490 --> 01:12:08,170 maybe they are that and then some people 1611 01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:11,500 in these same forests they see what 1612 01:12:17,129 --> 01:12:15,610 looks like a morphing of from a grey you 1613 01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:17,139 know kind of like skinwalker ranch you 1614 01:12:21,810 --> 01:12:18,850 know some some morphine stuff happening 1615 01:12:23,970 --> 01:12:21,820 where here's this Bigfoot that looks 1616 01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:23,980 like a Bigfoot but as I'm watching it 1617 01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:26,170 looks like it's turning into a grey and 1618 01:12:29,220 --> 01:12:27,760 then it looks like it's turning into 1619 01:12:31,109 --> 01:12:29,230 something else and people have pictures 1620 01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:31,119 where you can see the gradual change and 1621 01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:33,730 you know so people in the UFO world 1622 01:12:37,530 --> 01:12:35,679 start looking at the Sasquatch stuff and 1623 01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:37,540 look at it look into the people that 1624 01:12:41,850 --> 01:12:40,480 believe in the they call it the woowoo I 1625 01:12:43,890 --> 01:12:41,860 don't like that word either but they 1626 01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:43,900 they call it the woowoo part of it where 1627 01:12:48,899 --> 01:12:45,840 people believe they're more than just 1628 01:12:50,430 --> 01:12:48,909 flesh and bones kind of thing so you're 1629 01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:50,440 gonna have two of those people you know 1630 01:12:54,450 --> 01:12:52,690 groups and the Bigfoot world as well so 1631 01:12:57,810 --> 01:12:54,460 start getting into that be open to it 1632 01:13:02,250 --> 01:12:57,820 because it's it's much easier in my mind 1633 01:13:05,939 --> 01:13:02,260 to go out into the woods and get a 1634 01:13:08,010 --> 01:13:05,949 chance to possibly see or hear a Bigfoot 1635 01:13:11,459 --> 01:13:08,020 or a dog man or what they call Forest 1636 01:13:13,919 --> 01:13:11,469 friends than it is to have a grey wall 1637 01:13:15,359 --> 01:13:13,929 to you you know let's hear an abductee 1638 01:13:17,810 --> 01:13:15,369 and that's a whole nother thing and I 1639 01:13:22,290 --> 01:13:17,820 believe in that absolutely for real so 1640 01:13:25,109 --> 01:13:22,300 please don't shun that because even even 1641 01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:25,119 Jakob said this and if you like dr. 1642 01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:27,610 Jacobs who I absolutely adore I stayed 1643 01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:29,290 with him for a long time 1644 01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:31,210 or at least interviewed him for good 1645 01:13:36,210 --> 01:13:35,050 five days at one point and it was so 1646 01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:36,220 interesting to hear and this is before 1647 01:13:41,820 --> 01:13:39,730 he brought out the book hybrids he was 1648 01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:41,830 actually chasing this thing around the 1649 01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:44,050 city of Philadelphia at one point and 1650 01:13:47,730 --> 01:13:45,370 that's what I got to talk to him he had 1651 01:13:49,260 --> 01:13:47,740 said at one point he said that he 1652 01:13:51,930 --> 01:13:49,270 doesn't even believe that there are 1653 01:13:53,790 --> 01:13:51,940 ghosts or there are any other creatures 1654 01:13:57,900 --> 01:13:53,800 what he believes is that they are 1655 01:14:00,960 --> 01:13:57,910 actually the aliens and they can look 1656 01:14:05,580 --> 01:14:00,970 like anything we want them to look like 1657 01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:05,590 so it you know - so people won't think 1658 01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:07,210 about aliens are really here because 1659 01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:08,800 they they want to keep that secret the 1660 01:14:13,170 --> 01:14:11,050 aliens want to keep that secret and this 1661 01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:13,180 is this is what he's saying and he said 1662 01:14:18,060 --> 01:14:15,450 so you know they're gonna have you see a 1663 01:14:19,530 --> 01:14:18,070 nasty-looking clown you know a creepy 1664 01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:19,540 clown or they're gonna have you see a 1665 01:14:23,550 --> 01:14:21,850 Bigfoot or so you know I don't know 1666 01:14:25,260 --> 01:14:23,560 about that theory to be true but it is 1667 01:14:28,350 --> 01:14:25,270 interesting that he says that and it 1668 01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:28,360 does all come full circle so Joshua what 1669 01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:30,130 you are saying I totally absolutely 1670 01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:33,130 agree and I got a got a question here 1671 01:14:40,440 --> 01:14:38,050 from someone on on the chatroom here and 1672 01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:40,450 I think it was kind of a little ways 1673 01:14:44,790 --> 01:14:42,490 back where they asked this but they 1674 01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:44,800 wanted to know what instruments measure 1675 01:14:47,970 --> 01:14:46,330 what you were talking about and I'm not 1676 01:14:53,370 --> 01:14:47,980 sure when that was and maybe that was 1677 01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:53,380 maybe that was radionics maybe well I'm 1678 01:14:59,400 --> 01:14:55,810 not sure what case that they're 1679 01:15:03,600 --> 01:14:59,410 referring to yeah I mean you know 1680 01:15:07,530 --> 01:15:03,610 basically I have got literally a 1681 01:15:11,330 --> 01:15:07,540 warehouse of equipment I am able to 1682 01:15:13,100 --> 01:15:11,340 measure a wide variety of 1683 01:15:17,340 --> 01:15:13,110 electromagnetic frequencies 1684 01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:17,350 electrostatic charges look deep into the 1685 01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:19,570 infrared or the ultraviolet I look into 1686 01:15:24,660 --> 01:15:21,730 Alpha Beta Gamma 1687 01:15:28,340 --> 01:15:24,670 you know x-rays and and you know one of 1688 01:15:31,620 --> 01:15:28,350 the things that I find sort of 1689 01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:31,630 interesting shall we say about a lot of 1690 01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:34,000 these sort of mainstream paranormal 1691 01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:37,210 investigators is that unfortunately a 1692 01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:39,730 lot of them are running around with a 1693 01:15:43,140 --> 01:15:42,130 little box in their hand called EMF 1694 01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:43,150 meter 1695 01:15:46,919 --> 01:15:44,770 and they say oh I'm getting something 1696 01:15:50,459 --> 01:15:46,929 over here now I'm picking up something 1697 01:15:54,770 --> 01:15:50,469 over here and if you walk to that person 1698 01:15:57,330 --> 01:15:54,780 and you say what exactly is an EMS 1699 01:15:59,939 --> 01:15:57,340 you'll be surprised some of them cannot 1700 01:16:02,550 --> 01:15:59,949 tell you what that means and if they can 1701 01:16:05,780 --> 01:16:02,560 tell you that it is an electromagnetic 1702 01:16:08,820 --> 01:16:05,790 field then you say what is an 1703 01:16:10,979 --> 01:16:08,830 electromagnetic field and you'll be 1704 01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:10,989 surprised how many of them do not tell 1705 01:16:16,530 --> 01:16:13,330 you that an electromagnetic field is a 1706 01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:16,540 charge moving through space and then 1707 01:16:21,959 --> 01:16:18,730 when you say how does that little box in 1708 01:16:24,689 --> 01:16:21,969 your hand actually work you know what 1709 01:16:27,209 --> 01:16:24,699 are the mechanics what is the circuitry 1710 01:16:29,220 --> 01:16:27,219 at that point they're absolutely 1711 01:16:31,740 --> 01:16:29,230 deer-in-the-headlights they have no idea 1712 01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:31,750 how this little box and their hand works 1713 01:16:34,530 --> 01:16:33,370 they don't know what an electromagnetic 1714 01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:34,540 field is they don't know what an 1715 01:16:40,430 --> 01:16:37,210 electrostatic charge is they can't tell 1716 01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:40,440 you the difference between an 1717 01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:44,560 ultraviolent wave or some kind of 1718 01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:46,810 infrared weight I mean they have they 1719 01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:51,250 have vague ideas about these things and 1720 01:16:58,919 --> 01:16:55,810 I have always been as careful as 1721 01:17:01,830 --> 01:16:58,929 possible about educating myself on what 1722 01:17:04,709 --> 01:17:01,840 these tools are that are the lens that 1723 01:17:06,689 --> 01:17:04,719 are the filter that I'm using so that 1724 01:17:09,689 --> 01:17:06,699 when I'm trying to explain the results 1725 01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:09,699 that I get I can explain them as 1726 01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:13,090 relevantly as possible to the phenomenon 1727 01:17:21,689 --> 01:17:18,330 that I'm studying and I I think it's 1728 01:17:25,919 --> 01:17:21,699 it's often the case that people are 1729 01:17:29,459 --> 01:17:25,929 interested in this field for more of the 1730 01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:29,469 thrill-seeking kind of aspect but I am 1731 01:17:34,740 --> 01:17:32,050 actually interested in trying to to 1732 01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:34,750 discover something I mean I'm doing my 1733 01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:37,090 best and and it ended and it's not easy 1734 01:17:43,620 --> 01:17:41,050 you know there are you know and what are 1735 01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:43,630 what are your answers please sir you 1736 01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:47,530 know it's not easy yeah no i'm i'm 1737 01:17:53,939 --> 01:17:49,770 addressing the most complicated 1738 01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:53,949 mysteries known to humankind and and 1739 01:17:56,830 --> 01:17:55,690 it's funny to me when once in awhile 1740 01:17:59,250 --> 01:17:56,840 there are 1741 01:18:02,410 --> 01:17:59,260 individuals associated with a university 1742 01:18:06,190 --> 01:18:02,420 to make some comment like while this guy 1743 01:18:08,770 --> 01:18:06,200 might just be a profiteer and my 1744 01:18:11,620 --> 01:18:08,780 response is do you serve receive a 1745 01:18:14,830 --> 01:18:11,630 taxpayer-funded check every month for 1746 01:18:19,780 --> 01:18:14,840 the work that you do because I do not 1747 01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:19,790 okay I don't get any funding from any 1748 01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:23,360 outside source and so you know I have 1749 01:18:27,940 --> 01:18:25,610 spent so much money throughout my life 1750 01:18:30,670 --> 01:18:27,950 and I continue to do it all the time to 1751 01:18:33,070 --> 01:18:30,680 buy these things to go out and to do 1752 01:18:35,380 --> 01:18:33,080 this research as a completely 1753 01:18:37,570 --> 01:18:35,390 independent person and because of that 1754 01:18:42,100 --> 01:18:37,580 I'm not beholden to any board 1755 01:18:45,780 --> 01:18:42,110 I'm not beholden to any kind of you know 1756 01:18:49,090 --> 01:18:45,790 wish for tenure or anything like that I 1757 01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:49,100 am doing this purely out of curiosity 1758 01:18:55,030 --> 01:18:52,850 and desire to know things and the reason 1759 01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:55,040 that I've been able to profit over these 1760 01:19:00,070 --> 01:18:57,650 years is that I actually produce things 1761 01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:00,080 that people are interested in us in that 1762 01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:01,610 they'll pay me for it you know they will 1763 01:19:07,300 --> 01:19:04,490 buy books they will they will buy access 1764 01:19:09,220 --> 01:19:07,310 to a lecture they'll buy a product you 1765 01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:09,230 know I mean these these these are the 1766 01:19:16,020 --> 01:19:12,080 people who support me and it's amazing 1767 01:19:20,410 --> 01:19:16,030 how that we live in this culture when 1768 01:19:23,620 --> 01:19:20,420 there is often this sense that people 1769 01:19:26,620 --> 01:19:23,630 who are actually doing this kind of 1770 01:19:29,860 --> 01:19:26,630 research and and have a real drive to do 1771 01:19:31,660 --> 01:19:29,870 it honestly are doing it for some kind 1772 01:19:32,770 --> 01:19:31,670 of dishonest means you know where 1773 01:19:34,420 --> 01:19:32,780 they're there they're doing it because 1774 01:19:37,930 --> 01:19:34,430 they just want to make money off of it 1775 01:19:43,870 --> 01:19:37,940 and as you see as you said earlier there 1776 01:19:49,390 --> 01:19:43,880 are too many people getting rich it's 1777 01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:49,400 it's very true I think just to try to 1778 01:19:56,290 --> 01:19:54,050 answer the question of the devices we 1779 01:19:58,930 --> 01:19:56,300 talked about the dr. Mulder's wishing 1780 01:20:03,520 --> 01:19:58,940 machine you can find that on Joshua P 1781 01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:03,530 Warren site you know calm and you can 1782 01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:05,600 find many of the other devices he spoke 1783 01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:09,050 about or I think what they're asking is 1784 01:20:12,660 --> 01:20:10,690 about the device you 1785 01:20:14,220 --> 01:20:12,670 spoke at at the very beginning her spoke 1786 01:20:16,290 --> 01:20:14,230 about at the very beginning and that was 1787 01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:16,300 something that he only teased us with 1788 01:20:20,820 --> 01:20:18,610 it's not out yet he's just a little 1789 01:20:22,170 --> 01:20:20,830 teaser you know he's just he's just kind 1790 01:20:23,580 --> 01:20:22,180 of messing we feel a little bit he's 1791 01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:23,590 giving me a good idea but it's not out 1792 01:20:27,750 --> 01:20:25,930 yet because I tried I try to get out of 1793 01:20:31,380 --> 01:20:27,760 him I try to get an exclusive right here 1794 01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:31,390 on a podcast UFO but he didn't do that 1795 01:20:35,370 --> 01:20:34,090 he didn't do it so but it sounds like 1796 01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:35,380 it's interesting when are you gonna let 1797 01:20:43,620 --> 01:20:39,010 us know what that device is well if it 1798 01:20:47,370 --> 01:20:43,630 doesn't worked and you'll never know but 1799 01:20:49,620 --> 01:20:47,380 if it works then I will you know have a 1800 01:20:53,220 --> 01:20:49,630 fireworks display and say watch me 1801 01:20:55,700 --> 01:20:53,230 tap-dance and I'll be delighted to you 1802 01:21:00,030 --> 01:20:55,710 know I will trust me you'll know and and 1803 01:21:03,390 --> 01:21:00,040 in fact anybody listening can go to 1804 01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:03,400 Joshua P Warren comm and sign up for my 1805 01:21:09,630 --> 01:21:06,400 free newsletter there and it's 1806 01:21:12,570 --> 01:21:09,640 completely spam free I pay so that it's 1807 01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:12,580 spam free and these are messages that I 1808 01:21:17,370 --> 01:21:14,560 sit down and write with my own fingers 1809 01:21:19,950 --> 01:21:17,380 that go directly to you and if you're a 1810 01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:19,960 subscriber and you get a message and you 1811 01:21:25,650 --> 01:21:22,449 write me back I will do my darndest to 1812 01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:25,660 respond to you and we have many many 1813 01:21:29,220 --> 01:21:27,040 people all over the world who are 1814 01:21:32,130 --> 01:21:29,230 subscribers and that's that's really the 1815 01:21:34,530 --> 01:21:32,140 best way to keep updated on the stuff 1816 01:21:36,810 --> 01:21:34,540 that I'm doing because the people who 1817 01:21:40,140 --> 01:21:36,820 subscribe to the evenings letter are the 1818 01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:40,150 very first people I notify it's such a 1819 01:21:44,660 --> 01:21:42,489 different world I've grown up and my 1820 01:21:46,950 --> 01:21:44,670 career has been in radio and television 1821 01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:46,960 broadcast radio and television and it's 1822 01:21:53,970 --> 01:21:51,130 been you know national work you know and 1823 01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:53,980 it used to be where nobody else could do 1824 01:21:58,800 --> 01:21:57,489 this now you do it on the internet and 1825 01:22:01,050 --> 01:21:58,810 everybody can do it you can do with your 1826 01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:01,060 phone you know the microphones are great 1827 01:22:05,310 --> 01:22:02,890 you know on a Mac by itself 1828 01:22:07,500 --> 01:22:05,320 you know it's amazing that everybody now 1829 01:22:09,959 --> 01:22:07,510 has all these shows so you know your 1830 01:22:13,860 --> 01:22:09,969 insights and and the information is just 1831 01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:13,870 so plentiful and you know I want to 1832 01:22:18,990 --> 01:22:16,810 thank Martin for being able to you know 1833 01:22:20,820 --> 01:22:19,000 I'm sorry that you have a concussion but 1834 01:22:24,510 --> 01:22:20,830 it is kind of fun that I get to do your 1835 01:22:26,790 --> 01:22:24,520 show but you know it's so cool 1836 01:22:28,290 --> 01:22:26,800 that that we can do this tonight that 1837 01:22:29,730 --> 01:22:28,300 you and I can talk we're in two 1838 01:22:32,190 --> 01:22:29,740 different areas we've got people 1839 01:22:33,780 --> 01:22:32,200 chatting in Martin is really trying to 1840 01:22:35,670 --> 01:22:33,790 control everything thinking hey I could 1841 01:22:37,170 --> 01:22:35,680 have done this show myself anyway I got 1842 01:22:39,330 --> 01:22:37,180 this concussion but I could have done it 1843 01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:39,340 look what he's doing I mean he's been 1844 01:22:46,140 --> 01:22:43,600 great but I love that we have all this 1845 01:22:47,670 --> 01:22:46,150 technology I love that we can do these 1846 01:22:49,890 --> 01:22:47,680 things the way they are here you're able 1847 01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:49,900 to talk about the internet and the 1848 01:22:54,420 --> 01:22:51,850 different shows that you do and you do a 1849 01:22:59,070 --> 01:22:54,430 Saturday night show too that's broadcast 1850 01:23:02,010 --> 01:22:59,080 and you know I get to do coast that's 1851 01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:02,020 great my new show blue rock talk.com 1852 01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:04,810 I've gone from trying to do paid 1853 01:23:09,540 --> 01:23:07,120 membership on the site to a YouTube 1854 01:23:11,340 --> 01:23:09,550 channel for free but now I'm going back 1855 01:23:13,020 --> 01:23:11,350 to the paid and the reason why is 1856 01:23:15,330 --> 01:23:13,030 because you don't make money in this 1857 01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:15,340 business however this is a full-time job 1858 01:23:18,780 --> 01:23:17,410 for me to do this kind of stuff so in 1859 01:23:21,060 --> 01:23:18,790 order to break away from all that 1860 01:23:22,890 --> 01:23:21,070 broadcast stuff that gives you a ton of 1861 01:23:24,300 --> 01:23:22,900 commercials you know that's where you 1862 01:23:26,250 --> 01:23:24,310 got to ask for money it's not people 1863 01:23:28,230 --> 01:23:26,260 trying to get rich it's just it's it's 1864 01:23:30,690 --> 01:23:28,240 money to buy the software it's money to 1865 01:23:32,460 --> 01:23:30,700 buy you know that the phone or the mic 1866 01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:32,470 or your lavalier or the lights or 1867 01:23:38,900 --> 01:23:35,650 whatever you need for it but a side of 1868 01:23:41,490 --> 01:23:38,910 all of that cool stuff where did this 1869 01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:41,500 where did this come from out of nowhere 1870 01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:44,410 we have this great equipment it's all 1871 01:23:49,230 --> 01:23:46,090 small it's all digitized it's all 1872 01:23:51,870 --> 01:23:49,240 wonderful but it wasn't here like a long 1873 01:23:53,610 --> 01:23:51,880 long long time ago I mean well not even 1874 01:23:56,490 --> 01:23:53,620 that long ago and I guess what I'm 1875 01:23:57,870 --> 01:23:56,500 trying to get to is one of my brother's 1876 01:24:00,030 --> 01:23:57,880 my oldest brother was in the Air Force 1877 01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:00,040 he graduated the Academy in the Air 1878 01:24:03,450 --> 01:24:02,050 Force flew planes you know blah blah 1879 01:24:07,050 --> 01:24:03,460 blah blah blah do all this kind of stuff 1880 01:24:11,090 --> 01:24:07,060 and then when he when he retired because 1881 01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:11,100 he had so many security let levels of 1882 01:24:16,590 --> 01:24:13,930 you know kind of top-secret stuff he was 1883 01:24:19,170 --> 01:24:16,600 able to work at Texas Instruments and 1884 01:24:23,130 --> 01:24:19,180 there's areas in these places that are 1885 01:24:26,310 --> 01:24:23,140 also very secretive and because of his 1886 01:24:28,470 --> 01:24:26,320 level of secrecy in the military he was 1887 01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:28,480 able to work in a pretty cool area 1888 01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:30,490 apparently and he told me that he used 1889 01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:33,760 to see things that we would not see for 1890 01:24:38,110 --> 01:24:37,090 20 years and he he could never tell me 1891 01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:38,120 what they were 1892 01:24:41,620 --> 01:24:39,890 he talked about Holograms you know he 1893 01:24:44,260 --> 01:24:41,630 mentioned some words kind of like that 1894 01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:44,270 and he said you will not believe what 1895 01:24:47,650 --> 01:24:45,920 you'll see he said you'll see him in 20 1896 01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:47,660 years but it's like he was like it's 1897 01:24:54,100 --> 01:24:51,410 outstanding well I noticed at one point 1898 01:24:55,660 --> 01:24:54,110 I was talking to him about ETS you know 1899 01:24:57,700 --> 01:24:55,670 those things like that 1900 01:24:59,230 --> 01:24:57,710 and this was down around the time I was 1901 01:25:01,240 --> 01:24:59,240 really studying a remote viewing with 1902 01:25:04,300 --> 01:25:01,250 Lyn Buchanan and this was the project 1903 01:25:08,140 --> 01:25:04,310 Stargate guys and Lauren Williams and 1904 01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:08,150 just you know some Paul Smith and Joe 1905 01:25:13,090 --> 01:25:10,930 mcmoneagle and all these great folks and 1906 01:25:18,250 --> 01:25:13,100 and that's very interesting by the way 1907 01:25:20,790 --> 01:25:18,260 but I had said to my brother you know 1908 01:25:23,050 --> 01:25:20,800 you've got so many hours in in the air 1909 01:25:25,990 --> 01:25:23,060 flying all the time if you ever seen 1910 01:25:28,540 --> 01:25:26,000 anything and by the way at this time 1911 01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:28,550 when I asked him he's living believe it 1912 01:25:34,270 --> 01:25:30,410 or not at the bottom of the South 1913 01:25:36,430 --> 01:25:34,280 mountains in Phoenix Arizona so he he 1914 01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:36,440 didn't see the Phoenix lights but he was 1915 01:25:40,060 --> 01:25:38,210 right down at the bottom of where those 1916 01:25:42,820 --> 01:25:40,070 Phoenix lights were he didn't move there 1917 01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:42,830 till the year after that happened so 1918 01:25:47,260 --> 01:25:45,050 he's in this great hot spot anyway so 1919 01:25:49,270 --> 01:25:47,270 I'm going hey you know I'd talk about 1920 01:25:51,300 --> 01:25:49,280 this kind of stuff because that's the 1921 01:25:53,290 --> 01:25:51,310 way it was in fact I think Alejandro 1922 01:25:54,910 --> 01:25:53,300 would have been there the week that I 1923 01:25:58,330 --> 01:25:54,920 was talking about this because he came 1924 01:25:59,650 --> 01:25:58,340 and visited there but he looked at me 1925 01:26:01,360 --> 01:25:59,660 and he said no I haven't seen anything 1926 01:26:03,490 --> 01:26:01,370 and he said there's no way I would you 1927 01:26:06,190 --> 01:26:03,500 know how could I see this kind of stuff 1928 01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:06,200 I said well you know you're flying all 1929 01:26:09,310 --> 01:26:07,850 the time he said no I'd never see some 1930 01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:09,320 little speck like that I said oh no no 1931 01:26:13,330 --> 01:26:11,570 no these things are a mile long and a 1932 01:26:15,460 --> 01:26:13,340 mile and a half wide you know these are 1933 01:26:17,230 --> 01:26:15,470 motherships I'm asking you about hey any 1934 01:26:19,420 --> 01:26:17,240 jump back and he looked at me like I was 1935 01:26:20,980 --> 01:26:19,430 a nut and I said no I'm serious you know 1936 01:26:23,050 --> 01:26:20,990 and I'll show you you know some 1937 01:26:25,900 --> 01:26:23,060 information on these things and he 1938 01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:25,910 looked at me from from there and he kind 1939 01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:27,290 of did that little you know when a dog 1940 01:26:34,030 --> 01:26:31,610 twist it said and and and he said you 1941 01:26:36,670 --> 01:26:34,040 know he said the technology he said I 1942 01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:36,680 think you you could be very right about 1943 01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:39,650 these beans being here on earth he said 1944 01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:40,970 now I'm not sure if they're from space 1945 01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:43,610 or they're from underground and you know 1946 01:26:47,230 --> 01:26:45,290 already on this planet and that was 1947 01:26:49,690 --> 01:26:47,240 interesting that he said that but he 1948 01:26:51,729 --> 01:26:49,700 said he said because the technology and 1949 01:26:54,850 --> 01:26:51,739 because he was working with Ti 1950 01:26:56,380 --> 01:26:54,860 Texas Instruments he said because of 1951 01:27:00,130 --> 01:26:56,390 that he said there was a time when 1952 01:27:03,310 --> 01:27:00,140 technology he said took a jump from one 1953 01:27:05,890 --> 01:27:03,320 you know didn't go like you know you 1954 01:27:08,380 --> 01:27:05,900 know just kind of gradual heights it 1955 01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:08,390 jumped he said it jumped leaped in leaps 1956 01:27:13,450 --> 01:27:11,450 and bounds from what it was and he said 1957 01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:13,460 and the only way that could have 1958 01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:16,250 happened is from you what you're talking 1959 01:27:19,870 --> 01:27:18,170 about with these ETS and UFOs and 1960 01:27:21,490 --> 01:27:19,880 technology transfer because I told him 1961 01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:21,500 about that kind of stuff and he said 1962 01:27:25,150 --> 01:27:22,730 that'd be the only way that we could 1963 01:27:26,350 --> 01:27:25,160 have jumped in technology as far as we 1964 01:27:28,450 --> 01:27:26,360 did he said because there was no 1965 01:27:30,820 --> 01:27:28,460 connection he said there was absolutely 1966 01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:30,830 no connection it went from one thing to 1967 01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:32,930 you know something totally different and 1968 01:27:37,270 --> 01:27:35,090 you know here we are being able to talk 1969 01:27:39,220 --> 01:27:37,280 to each other like this and because of 1970 01:27:41,500 --> 01:27:39,230 all that I think that's pretty cool so 1971 01:27:43,330 --> 01:27:41,510 you know they've really helped us out 1972 01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:43,340 and uh and I think you know Steve 1973 01:27:46,780 --> 01:27:45,530 Bassett Steve Bassett said to me before 1974 01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:46,790 he's a Connie you're in the best 1975 01:27:50,140 --> 01:27:48,560 position than anybody out there and I 1976 01:27:53,050 --> 01:27:50,150 said what are you talking about and this 1977 01:27:54,490 --> 01:27:53,060 is when I was working on a QVC selling 1978 01:27:56,530 --> 01:27:54,500 products on QVC and Home Shopping 1979 01:27:58,240 --> 01:27:56,540 Network and he goes well you are selling 1980 01:28:00,220 --> 01:27:58,250 products right yeah and you're a 1981 01:28:02,170 --> 01:28:00,230 believer right yeah well when disclosure 1982 01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:02,180 comes you're gonna be the first person 1983 01:28:08,020 --> 01:28:05,570 that people come to to sell all these 1984 01:28:09,220 --> 01:28:08,030 alien products with little grey men on 1985 01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:09,230 the side of them and I thought that was 1986 01:28:20,890 --> 01:28:16,870 yeah well you know you're right I mean 1987 01:28:22,330 --> 01:28:20,900 you know ultimately I guess what you're 1988 01:28:23,740 --> 01:28:22,340 talking about here what were you doing 1989 01:28:26,229 --> 01:28:23,750 Joshua where you taking like a little 1990 01:28:27,670 --> 01:28:26,239 little sip of beer were you like did you 1991 01:28:36,430 --> 01:28:27,680 go take the dog out what happened did 1992 01:28:39,310 --> 01:28:36,440 you just leave us there for me no I was 1993 01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:39,320 thinking deeply I was thinking deeply 1994 01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:41,330 about the things you were saying though 1995 01:28:45,940 --> 01:28:44,570 oh go ahead cuz I want to make sure you 1996 01:28:47,380 --> 01:28:45,950 tell us about the debris I just want to 1997 01:28:51,310 --> 01:28:47,390 make sure you tell us about that okay 1998 01:28:52,990 --> 01:28:51,320 yeah okay well you want to move to do 1999 01:28:54,550 --> 01:28:53,000 the debris uh yeah that's that's 2000 01:29:00,430 --> 01:28:54,560 actually you know ties right into what 2001 01:29:05,290 --> 01:29:00,440 you're saying because I have been to 2002 01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:05,300 Roswell and and not just not just as a 2003 01:29:10,390 --> 01:29:06,080 tool 2004 01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:10,400 mind you I was a part of a Discovery 2005 01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:16,690 Channel project which was I'm gonna say 2006 01:29:25,050 --> 01:29:19,730 2004 something like that it was called X 2007 01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:25,060 opps X - Oh PS as in unknown operations 2008 01:29:32,050 --> 01:29:28,810 and this sounds cool how'd this happen 2009 01:29:37,959 --> 01:29:32,060 well the the producer was a man named 2010 01:29:40,229 --> 01:29:37,969 Jim Castle and Jim castle was and I 2011 01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:40,239 think he'd won like four or five Emmys 2012 01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:44,210 he would be worked on the x-files and he 2013 01:29:52,450 --> 01:29:47,440 also worked on peers as a matter of fact 2014 01:29:55,630 --> 01:29:52,460 when you see the iconic cheers logo he 2015 01:29:59,590 --> 01:29:55,640 sat down with his own hand and created 2016 01:30:03,820 --> 01:29:59,600 the cheers look oh that's neat yeah and 2017 01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:03,830 and so he was a guy who had a lot of 2018 01:30:12,900 --> 01:30:07,850 clout in the industry and so Jim castle 2019 01:30:16,030 --> 01:30:12,910 he knew of me and my work and so he 2020 01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:16,040 hired me and a number of other people to 2021 01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:20,210 be a part of the team for a new 2022 01:30:26,860 --> 01:30:23,210 Discovery Channel TV program called 2023 01:30:29,770 --> 01:30:26,870 exits that was supposed to be like the 2024 01:30:33,370 --> 01:30:29,780 mack daddy of all paranormal shows I 2025 01:30:38,310 --> 01:30:33,380 mean they had a huge budget we had our 2026 01:30:44,770 --> 01:30:41,590 yeah we had a helicopter to shoot you 2027 01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:44,780 know cool aerial stuff I mean we got all 2028 01:30:51,580 --> 01:30:48,170 kinds of swag you know like really nice 2029 01:30:53,979 --> 01:30:51,590 gore-tex coats it has the X ops emblem 2030 01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:53,989 and like $400 watches were hex tops 2031 01:30:58,020 --> 01:30:55,850 watches and caps and I mean it's like 2032 01:31:03,430 --> 01:30:58,030 they really hooked us up really nicely 2033 01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:03,440 and so we went to Roswell to do a show 2034 01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:07,250 now and my first impression was Roswell 2035 01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:09,530 really like you know we're gonna beat 2036 01:31:14,830 --> 01:31:12,530 that dead horse a little bit more you 2037 01:31:16,990 --> 01:31:14,840 know what even Jesse Marcel the third 2038 01:31:19,390 --> 01:31:17,000 will tell you the same thing you know 2039 01:31:20,979 --> 01:31:19,400 he's like oh my gosh there's so many 2040 01:31:23,500 --> 01:31:20,989 the things we could talk about and he's 2041 01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:23,510 the son right he's the son of the son of 2042 01:31:31,990 --> 01:31:28,370 the son the grandson but but you know 2043 01:31:35,110 --> 01:31:32,000 the funny thing is they had a twist they 2044 01:31:37,780 --> 01:31:35,120 really didn't have a good plan Jim Marrs 2045 01:31:40,090 --> 01:31:37,790 who's a great friend of mine and of 2046 01:31:41,919 --> 01:31:40,100 course Jim Marrs is mr. conspiracy he's 2047 01:31:44,050 --> 01:31:41,929 got the white beard in the fedora and 2048 01:31:47,169 --> 01:31:44,060 you know he wrote the book crossfire 2049 01:31:50,890 --> 01:31:47,179 that all our was done based on the V JFK 2050 01:31:53,500 --> 01:31:50,900 on Jim Marrs had gone to Roswell and had 2051 01:31:58,419 --> 01:31:53,510 discovered that on the same piece of 2052 01:32:05,320 --> 01:31:58,429 property where the supposed autopsy was 2053 01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:05,330 done there is a new hospital and the 2054 01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:08,290 doctors and nurses at that hospital 2055 01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:13,250 claim the hospital is haunted by the 2056 01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:22,130 ghosts of the aliens yeah yeah so we're 2057 01:32:29,470 --> 01:32:24,530 combining two of these genres together 2058 01:32:33,100 --> 01:32:29,480 right yes yeah they all relate and yeah 2059 01:32:37,540 --> 01:32:33,110 and so you know we we had our initial 2060 01:32:43,060 --> 01:32:37,550 set was in California on an old in an 2061 01:32:46,780 --> 01:32:43,070 old air hangar and after that we we got 2062 01:32:51,180 --> 01:32:46,790 in the jet which was rented from John 2063 01:32:53,770 --> 01:32:51,190 Travolta and and we flew to Roswell and 2064 01:32:57,070 --> 01:32:53,780 we got there and we did this like 2065 01:32:59,890 --> 01:32:57,080 incredibly extensive investigation and I 2066 01:33:03,689 --> 01:32:59,900 tell you Connie it's no no no BS here 2067 01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:03,699 okay we went to the hospital we sat down 2068 01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:08,170 and we interviewed bonafide doctors and 2069 01:33:14,740 --> 01:33:12,050 nurses who told us that this is real 2070 01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:14,750 that they were seeing the ghosts of the 2071 01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:16,610 aliens and they would describe you know 2072 01:33:23,860 --> 01:33:21,050 typical gray type beings with a blue 2073 01:33:25,540 --> 01:33:23,870 glow around them it was amazing it was 2074 01:33:27,070 --> 01:33:25,550 absolutely astounding you know that we 2075 01:33:32,700 --> 01:33:27,080 were getting that kind of information 2076 01:33:34,590 --> 01:33:32,710 and and then we ended up going to 2077 01:33:35,970 --> 01:33:34,600 some of the most prominent crash sites 2078 01:33:37,919 --> 01:33:35,980 because a lot of people don't realize 2079 01:33:39,899 --> 01:33:37,929 like you know tourists in the area what 2080 01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:39,909 will sell you on like oh this is the 2081 01:33:43,950 --> 01:33:42,010 Koresh gonna give us 20 bucks 2082 01:33:46,380 --> 01:33:43,960 but no when this when this thing came 2083 01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:46,390 down it they kind of bumped and skirted 2084 01:33:51,930 --> 01:33:50,290 along around for miles yeah so too there 2085 01:33:57,110 --> 01:33:51,940 are there are a number of debris fields 2086 01:33:59,010 --> 01:33:57,120 and now that that whole show and I'm I'm 2087 01:34:01,580 --> 01:33:59,020 diverging a little bit here from the 2088 01:34:05,970 --> 01:34:01,590 topic but I will tell you that we found 2089 01:34:08,850 --> 01:34:05,980 some absolutely amazing stuff will he 2090 01:34:11,250 --> 01:34:08,860 did that and we were high-fiving each 2091 01:34:13,709 --> 01:34:11,260 other because we thought this was going 2092 01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:13,719 to be a good show and it was going to be 2093 01:34:20,010 --> 01:34:16,890 a hit and then suddenly mysteriously 2094 01:34:23,310 --> 01:34:20,020 discovery said nope we're gonna can this 2095 01:34:26,689 --> 01:34:23,320 thing and they everybody involved with 2096 01:34:28,950 --> 01:34:26,699 it just disappeared yeah they all just 2097 01:34:32,430 --> 01:34:28,960 where we're no longer working for the 2098 01:34:35,100 --> 01:34:32,440 company and this day it's one of the 2099 01:34:37,979 --> 01:34:35,110 weirdest yeah well it's the weirdest 2100 01:34:39,689 --> 01:34:37,989 project that I ever worked on now I 2101 01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:39,699 could sit here and talk to you for two 2102 01:34:44,300 --> 01:34:41,650 hours just about the stuff that we found 2103 01:34:47,490 --> 01:34:44,310 on that show and how weird that was but 2104 01:34:49,860 --> 01:34:47,500 getting back to your point yeah yeah and 2105 01:34:51,149 --> 01:34:49,870 and and and one quick question with what 2106 01:34:53,070 --> 01:34:51,159 you said when you were talking about 2107 01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:53,080 being in the area where they saw the 2108 01:34:58,979 --> 01:34:55,330 ghost of the aliens and you said it was 2109 01:35:00,899 --> 01:34:58,989 in the hospital of where they did the 2110 01:35:03,689 --> 01:35:00,909 autopsy are you talking about the that 2111 01:35:05,729 --> 01:35:03,699 you know one that was on TV of the alien 2112 01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:05,739 autopsy are you talking about where the 2113 01:35:12,870 --> 01:35:10,449 actual Roswell aliens went for real and 2114 01:35:17,250 --> 01:35:12,880 where people believed they were autopsy 2115 01:35:19,229 --> 01:35:17,260 you're not yeah I'm talking about the 2116 01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:19,239 real thing is the alien are talking 2117 01:35:26,220 --> 01:35:22,960 folks right was based upon the idea that 2118 01:35:28,260 --> 01:35:26,230 there supposedly was a real autopsy you 2119 01:35:29,970 --> 01:35:28,270 know that's why that's why the hoax was 2120 01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:29,980 so convincing for a lot of people 2121 01:35:34,830 --> 01:35:32,890 because there actually was some kind of 2122 01:35:40,470 --> 01:35:34,840 an initial autopsy before they were 2123 01:35:46,589 --> 01:35:40,480 flown to right there for Space Ghost of 2124 01:35:49,859 --> 01:35:46,599 an alien wow yeah so that said 2125 01:35:53,489 --> 01:35:49,869 we went there and I was the tech guy 2126 01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:53,499 okay and I scanned the ground with 2127 01:35:58,669 --> 01:35:56,530 everything I had not just metal 2128 01:36:02,399 --> 01:35:58,679 detectors but like you name it and 2129 01:36:07,770 --> 01:36:02,409 obviously I did not find one single 2130 01:36:09,810 --> 01:36:07,780 shred of physical debris and it was not 2131 01:36:13,830 --> 01:36:09,820 surprising because that had been picked 2132 01:36:15,890 --> 01:36:13,840 over like 50 years I'm you know I wasn't 2133 01:36:22,290 --> 01:36:15,900 I wasn't expecting to find anything 2134 01:36:24,689 --> 01:36:22,300 however saying having that said I was 2135 01:36:28,949 --> 01:36:24,699 contacted probably about seven years ago 2136 01:36:30,509 --> 01:36:28,959 eight years ago maybe by a man that many 2137 01:36:35,489 --> 01:36:30,519 of your listeners may be familiar with 2138 01:36:38,069 --> 01:36:35,499 named Charles wave and he said that he 2139 01:36:42,149 --> 01:36:38,079 had gone there to investigate 2140 01:36:45,750 --> 01:36:42,159 a dried-up lakebed now this is an area 2141 01:36:48,330 --> 01:36:45,760 that would have been under water uh and 2142 01:36:49,319 --> 01:36:48,340 then once it dried up it had recently 2143 01:36:53,219 --> 01:36:49,329 dried up 2144 01:36:59,819 --> 01:36:53,229 he found a variety of pieces metallic 2145 01:37:02,640 --> 01:36:59,829 debris and so suddenly it sort of 2146 01:37:06,330 --> 01:37:02,650 appeared that maybe this could be 2147 01:37:08,759 --> 01:37:06,340 something that was not found because it 2148 01:37:13,290 --> 01:37:08,769 was underwater and he sent me some 2149 01:37:16,020 --> 01:37:13,300 samples of this debris and the funny 2150 01:37:20,339 --> 01:37:16,030 thing is the first thing I did the day I 2151 01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:20,349 got his debris the Lemur team of which I 2152 01:37:27,330 --> 01:37:23,530 am president was having a meeting at my 2153 01:37:28,919 --> 01:37:27,340 house at the time and I said look I've 2154 01:37:31,350 --> 01:37:28,929 got something really cool here you know 2155 01:37:33,899 --> 01:37:31,360 I took out all these debris samples and 2156 01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:33,909 of course everybody wanted to see the 2157 01:37:41,549 --> 01:37:36,690 debris and no but filled the debris and 2158 01:37:45,739 --> 01:37:41,559 I had at that time a Van de Graaff 2159 01:37:51,359 --> 01:37:45,749 generator in my back bedroom oh I know 2160 01:37:53,580 --> 01:37:51,369 what yeah yeah Van de Graaff is it even 2161 01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:53,590 though yeah even though you might not be 2162 01:37:58,500 --> 01:37:55,570 familiar with the name you know it it's 2163 01:37:59,939 --> 01:37:58,510 it's the device they use in high school 2164 01:38:02,009 --> 01:37:59,949 demonstrations with 2165 01:38:03,689 --> 01:38:02,019 silver ball on the top that makes a 2166 01:38:06,660 --> 01:38:03,699 kid's hair stand on them 2167 01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:06,670 okay all right it's yeah it's called a 2168 01:38:11,719 --> 01:38:08,530 Van de Graaff generator okay and it 2169 01:38:15,569 --> 01:38:11,729 produces a very strong positive 2170 01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:15,579 electrostatic charge and so I said you 2171 01:38:21,089 --> 01:38:18,489 know I wonder what will happen if we 2172 01:38:25,140 --> 01:38:21,099 take a piece of this and we put it in a 2173 01:38:28,649 --> 01:38:25,150 strong electrostatic field so I pulled 2174 01:38:32,069 --> 01:38:28,659 out the Van de Graaff generator I put a 2175 01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:32,079 pie pan on top of it to hold the sample 2176 01:38:42,810 --> 01:38:34,449 you are doing draw by ants man who else 2177 01:38:44,339 --> 01:38:42,820 would have you Taipan yeah very that's 2178 01:38:46,620 --> 01:38:44,349 what kind of budget I'm working on half 2179 01:38:50,279 --> 01:38:46,630 the time I know I'm on a pie pan budget 2180 01:38:52,319 --> 01:38:50,289 yeah and so yeah I take out the pie pan 2181 01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:52,329 I put it on top of the vandegraaff which 2182 01:38:58,919 --> 01:38:55,690 actually worked beautifully and I I 2183 01:39:02,759 --> 01:38:58,929 dropped this little sliver into the pan 2184 01:39:05,489 --> 01:39:02,769 and this sliver which I'm talking about 2185 01:39:07,729 --> 01:39:05,499 maybe it was two and a half three inches 2186 01:39:11,310 --> 01:39:07,739 long just a flat sliver of metal 2187 01:39:15,359 --> 01:39:11,320 instantly stood up on end and began 2188 01:39:19,979 --> 01:39:15,369 spinning around with incredible 2189 01:39:23,969 --> 01:39:19,989 stability and I kick out a video camera 2190 01:39:26,580 --> 01:39:23,979 and film this and it's actually on on 2191 01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:26,590 YouTube right now I don't know if I had 2192 01:39:30,750 --> 01:39:28,690 it linked up through my website but but 2193 01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:30,760 if you go to youtube you type in Joshua 2194 01:39:37,169 --> 01:39:34,570 P Warren UFO debris it'll probably come 2195 01:39:40,529 --> 01:39:37,179 up and you'll see this incredible 2196 01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:40,539 footage of this little sliver of metal 2197 01:39:47,009 --> 01:39:44,050 just standing on end and just spinning 2198 01:39:51,509 --> 01:39:47,019 around almost magically when exposed to 2199 01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:51,519 this electrostatic field and since then 2200 01:39:57,870 --> 01:39:54,010 we have continued doing experiments with 2201 01:39:59,459 --> 01:39:57,880 it now I'm not a chemical or material 2202 01:40:02,399 --> 01:39:59,469 analyst guy I don't have a laboratory 2203 01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:02,409 that's really capable of giving good 2204 01:40:07,949 --> 01:40:05,530 results but according to mr. Wade he has 2205 01:40:10,830 --> 01:40:07,959 sent it he sent other samples to 2206 01:40:13,259 --> 01:40:10,840 laboratory to have said yeah this is 2207 01:40:13,650 --> 01:40:13,269 some kind of the composition of metal 2208 01:40:23,940 --> 01:40:13,660 that 2209 01:40:28,020 --> 01:40:23,950 when it comes to electrostatics and this 2210 01:40:32,450 --> 01:40:28,030 was pretty strange so when we did the 2211 01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:32,460 event with George Noory on August 27th I 2212 01:40:42,630 --> 01:40:37,570 I decided that I would give all the 2213 01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:42,640 attendee is an opportunity to spend them 2214 01:40:50,150 --> 01:40:45,610 of it you know picking up this piece of 2215 01:40:53,310 --> 01:40:50,160 debris and filling it just just to see 2216 01:40:55,950 --> 01:40:53,320 the reaction you know it's just supposed 2217 01:40:57,780 --> 01:40:55,960 to be like the the debris that would you 2218 01:41:00,270 --> 01:40:57,790 know like you could put it in your hand 2219 01:41:01,860 --> 01:41:00,280 and wrinkle it all up you know squish it 2220 01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:01,870 and they wouldn't go right back is that 2221 01:41:07,620 --> 01:41:04,650 what we're what what you're describing 2222 01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:07,630 no this debris does not do that I know 2223 01:41:12,750 --> 01:41:11,050 you're talking about and so and and so I 2224 01:41:16,830 --> 01:41:12,760 don't I don't know that means this this 2225 01:41:18,900 --> 01:41:16,840 could just be debris from some kind of 2226 01:41:21,510 --> 01:41:18,910 military experiment I mean I don't know 2227 01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:21,520 where it's from I really don't know or 2228 01:41:24,570 --> 01:41:23,410 it could be from the crash I'm yeah I 2229 01:41:28,530 --> 01:41:24,580 just don't know 2230 01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:28,540 and so the funny thing is we allowed 2231 01:41:35,340 --> 01:41:32,290 everybody 500 people to come by one by 2232 01:41:44,850 --> 01:41:35,350 one and pick up this piece of debris and 2233 01:41:47,730 --> 01:41:44,860 get a photograph taken with it and it 2234 01:41:51,030 --> 01:41:47,740 was ours and ours yes it was it was a 2235 01:41:52,590 --> 01:41:51,040 long time and because every single 2236 01:41:53,490 --> 01:41:52,600 person who stopped by you know they want 2237 01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:53,500 to shake your hand 2238 01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:55,570 they want to tell you a story they want 2239 01:41:58,800 --> 01:41:57,010 to show you some pictures on their cell 2240 01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:58,810 phone and that's all cool but you got 2241 01:42:05,190 --> 01:42:00,880 500 of them in a row I mean yeah it 2242 01:42:08,100 --> 01:42:05,200 takes now it's a bit unfortunate because 2243 01:42:10,770 --> 01:42:08,110 I was thinking that I was going to be 2244 01:42:13,470 --> 01:42:10,780 seated right next to the debris that's 2245 01:42:16,050 --> 01:42:13,480 what I was told actually so that I could 2246 01:42:19,110 --> 01:42:16,060 sort of keep an eye on the reactions but 2247 01:42:22,860 --> 01:42:19,120 the theater set it up differently so 2248 01:42:26,250 --> 01:42:22,870 that the speakers were seated in a whole 2249 01:42:27,270 --> 01:42:26,260 different area from their merchandising 2250 01:42:30,150 --> 01:42:27,280 tables 2251 01:42:33,540 --> 01:42:30,160 so I was unfortunately not able to be 2252 01:42:36,630 --> 01:42:33,550 with the debris I was but everybody who 2253 01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:36,640 made it to my table to get an autograph 2254 01:42:43,130 --> 01:42:39,250 and whatnot they had been by that table 2255 01:42:45,450 --> 01:42:43,140 and he would not believe Connie the 2256 01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:45,460 responses that I got from people who 2257 01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:49,290 were saying okay yeah I fell I saw 2258 01:42:53,610 --> 01:42:51,850 visions and I mean you can be like okay 2259 01:42:58,560 --> 01:42:53,620 we'll find whatever but there was this 2260 01:43:03,710 --> 01:42:58,570 one lady who came up and yeah she said I 2261 01:43:07,790 --> 01:43:03,720 put the piece of debris in my hand and 2262 01:43:11,190 --> 01:43:07,800 right there in my palm it curled up 2263 01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:11,200 really it yeah she said it curled up in 2264 01:43:17,730 --> 01:43:15,370 my hands and she said look at this and 2265 01:43:21,900 --> 01:43:17,740 she held out her hand and she's got 2266 01:43:25,860 --> 01:43:21,910 these weird like dark looking sort of 2267 01:43:28,070 --> 01:43:25,870 linear objects at her palm I said what 2268 01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:28,080 the heck are these things I don't know 2269 01:43:34,590 --> 01:43:31,090 that she says I said you know I presume 2270 01:43:37,650 --> 01:43:34,600 they may be alien implants so I said 2271 01:43:43,020 --> 01:43:37,660 okay you got to go get these your hand 2272 01:43:46,230 --> 01:43:43,030 x-ray number one but please be sure to 2273 01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:46,240 contact me and so she contacted me and 2274 01:43:50,370 --> 01:43:48,880 she said I haven't gotten my hand 2275 01:43:53,750 --> 01:43:50,380 x-rayed yet but I'm gonna be back in 2276 01:43:55,710 --> 01:43:53,760 town and I'm gonna have it x-rayed and 2277 01:43:57,960 --> 01:43:55,720 she said do you want to do any more 2278 01:43:59,910 --> 01:43:57,970 tests I said heck yeah so she's gonna 2279 01:44:02,340 --> 01:43:59,920 come back in town and I'm gonna do a 2280 01:44:05,670 --> 01:44:02,350 bunch of tests on this lady's hand and 2281 01:44:09,180 --> 01:44:05,680 if I drop this debris on her hand and it 2282 01:44:11,990 --> 01:44:09,190 just reacts being in her hand the same 2283 01:44:16,590 --> 01:44:12,000 way it does being an electrostatic field 2284 01:44:18,510 --> 01:44:16,600 that's going to be mind-boggling so 2285 01:44:21,390 --> 01:44:18,520 that's one of the things that I'm going 2286 01:44:24,180 --> 01:44:21,400 to be doing soon and it's just you know 2287 01:44:26,610 --> 01:44:24,190 another another development I guess in 2288 01:44:29,910 --> 01:44:26,620 this whole mystery of trying to uncover 2289 01:44:31,650 --> 01:44:29,920 what this UFO debris is all about well 2290 01:44:33,060 --> 01:44:31,660 did you do it you know while you were 2291 01:44:34,830 --> 01:44:33,070 there with her did you do it just to 2292 01:44:36,180 --> 01:44:34,840 you'll see if it happened I mean you 2293 01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:36,190 know she could have had a bottle of 2294 01:44:40,590 --> 01:44:37,690 bourbon while she stood in that long 2295 01:44:42,930 --> 01:44:40,600 line you're right 2296 01:44:47,250 --> 01:44:42,940 you very well could have she was 2297 01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:47,260 probably oh yeah you know you know she 2298 01:44:52,590 --> 01:44:50,530 was probably about number 200 out of 500 2299 01:44:54,690 --> 01:44:52,600 and at that point it was just like you 2300 01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:54,700 know cattle I please let's just get 2301 01:44:58,620 --> 01:44:56,890 through this so now there was no way I 2302 01:45:00,390 --> 01:44:58,630 was gonna stop and do an experiment at 2303 01:45:03,120 --> 01:45:00,400 that point but now that it's over with 2304 01:45:05,310 --> 01:45:03,130 and she's contacted he now I'm following 2305 01:45:07,380 --> 01:45:05,320 up on it and now she's going to come to 2306 01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:07,390 meet with me one-on-one and we will do 2307 01:45:12,870 --> 01:45:10,480 it that's very neat so and and you do 2308 01:45:16,470 --> 01:45:12,880 have a picture out on YouTube right is 2309 01:45:19,650 --> 01:45:16,480 that yeah if you go to youtube right now 2310 01:45:21,900 --> 01:45:19,660 and you type in Joshua P Warren and UFO 2311 01:45:24,660 --> 01:45:21,910 crash debris or something like that I'm 2312 01:45:27,690 --> 01:45:24,670 sure it will pop up I mean I may have it 2313 01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:27,700 on my website if you go to my website 2314 01:45:34,230 --> 01:45:30,010 there's a section called gallery of the 2315 01:45:36,900 --> 01:45:34,240 strange which has amazing images of 2316 01:45:40,050 --> 01:45:36,910 paranormal phenomena that I believe are 2317 01:45:41,850 --> 01:45:40,060 credible and this is stuff that I've you 2318 01:45:45,090 --> 01:45:41,860 know either looked into or captured 2319 01:45:47,910 --> 01:45:45,100 myself and we're talking again ghosts 2320 01:45:50,190 --> 01:45:47,920 UFOs psychic phenomena cryptids even 2321 01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:50,200 some stuff that's so weird I don't know 2322 01:45:54,330 --> 01:45:52,930 what category to put it into I mean we 2323 01:45:56,820 --> 01:45:54,340 got things you never think about like 2324 01:46:00,180 --> 01:45:56,830 dinosaur ghosts and just like crazy 2325 01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:00,190 stuff I I don't know if I have that 2326 01:46:05,670 --> 01:46:02,890 linked up there but if not yes you go to 2327 01:46:07,860 --> 01:46:05,680 youtube and type in yeah Josh lucky 2328 01:46:10,260 --> 01:46:07,870 warned UFO crash debris it'll probably 2329 01:46:11,610 --> 01:46:10,270 come up and you can see and and I mean 2330 01:46:12,090 --> 01:46:11,620 this is something that I could turn 2331 01:46:15,240 --> 01:46:12,100 around 2332 01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:15,250 at any point in time and demonstrate for 2333 01:46:21,180 --> 01:46:18,850 anybody because it's I mean it was so 2334 01:46:24,150 --> 01:46:21,190 simple I mean you turn on the generator 2335 01:46:26,550 --> 01:46:24,160 you you put the pie plate on top of the 2336 01:46:28,220 --> 01:46:26,560 generator you drop the debris in and it 2337 01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:28,230 does this it's amazing 2338 01:46:37,980 --> 01:46:34,570 mmm Wow well you know I I know they 2339 01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:37,990 swept that place so well and if you guys 2340 01:46:42,630 --> 01:46:39,850 were picking up things that's really 2341 01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:42,640 really really really cool and you know 2342 01:46:46,650 --> 01:46:44,650 who knows if it was Roswell or something 2343 01:46:49,470 --> 01:46:46,660 else or you know another ship or 2344 01:46:52,340 --> 01:46:49,480 something like you said our military but 2345 01:46:54,450 --> 01:46:52,350 the fact that this really cool shoot 2346 01:46:56,700 --> 01:46:54,460 with a lot of great credible 2347 01:46:58,440 --> 01:46:56,710 people and a ton of money I mean I've 2348 01:47:00,180 --> 01:46:58,450 never done a shoot with a private jet 2349 01:47:04,440 --> 01:47:00,190 and helicopter I mean well I guess I 2350 01:47:05,850 --> 01:47:04,450 have and it was some big folks but the 2351 01:47:08,340 --> 01:47:05,860 fact that this just you know at least 2352 01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:08,350 when that one ended I knew why it sounds 2353 01:47:12,479 --> 01:47:10,090 like yours just kind of ended and 2354 01:47:15,120 --> 01:47:12,489 everybody was gone and that was it 2355 01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:15,130 that's kind of freaky because you know 2356 01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:18,370 they somebody out there doesn't like us 2357 01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:22,090 getting information that shows that 2358 01:47:25,620 --> 01:47:23,650 these things might be real they don't 2359 01:47:28,410 --> 01:47:25,630 like us finding evidence they don't like 2360 01:47:30,590 --> 01:47:28,420 any of that and when these things do 2361 01:47:34,050 --> 01:47:30,600 occur where people have things I mean 2362 01:47:35,790 --> 01:47:34,060 they don't last very long so you know 2363 01:47:40,020 --> 01:47:35,800 Josh what's very nice meeting you and 2364 01:47:42,570 --> 01:47:40,030 talking with you you know because people 2365 01:47:46,020 --> 01:47:42,580 when they get into the UFO world that to 2366 01:47:48,540 --> 01:47:46,030 me I mean out of all the genres the UFO 2367 01:47:51,540 --> 01:47:48,550 world the et world and the deeper you 2368 01:47:54,930 --> 01:47:51,550 get and the deeper you get things happen 2369 01:47:56,459 --> 01:47:54,940 that are scarier than the others that's 2370 01:48:01,050 --> 01:47:56,469 just my theory this is just what I've 2371 01:48:03,390 --> 01:48:01,060 experienced things stop your life it's 2372 01:48:05,940 --> 01:48:03,400 that's when you start knowing that there 2373 01:48:10,530 --> 01:48:05,950 is mind control there is something out 2374 01:48:12,750 --> 01:48:10,540 there stopping things people places I 2375 01:48:16,229 --> 01:48:12,760 think this this is just me I think 2376 01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:16,239 somebody can do mind control I think 2377 01:48:20,370 --> 01:48:18,010 somebody can you know tell you what to 2378 01:48:21,810 --> 01:48:20,380 think or what to hear I mean like you 2379 01:48:24,020 --> 01:48:21,820 could say something and somebody else 2380 01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:24,030 could hear something totally different 2381 01:48:29,490 --> 01:48:27,930 anything to get you I think to make you 2382 01:48:32,430 --> 01:48:29,500 not credible 2383 01:48:33,900 --> 01:48:32,440 so you'll shut up about what you might 2384 01:48:35,340 --> 01:48:33,910 know because I do believe if you 2385 01:48:38,370 --> 01:48:35,350 research it you'll find out more and 2386 01:48:41,940 --> 01:48:38,380 more and more and when you do I think 2387 01:48:44,729 --> 01:48:41,950 your life kind of goes down in a status 2388 01:48:47,130 --> 01:48:44,739 level financially which is the best way 2389 01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:47,140 to shut anybody up take their money away 2390 01:48:51,150 --> 01:48:49,690 who listens to that homeless guy over 2391 01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:51,160 there you know I mean it's terrible to 2392 01:48:54,600 --> 01:48:52,930 say but you know and I don't you don't 2393 01:48:55,890 --> 01:48:54,610 need to go that far with it but who's 2394 01:48:57,390 --> 01:48:55,900 going to listen to the guy that lives in 2395 01:49:01,770 --> 01:48:57,400 the basement you know his parents house 2396 01:49:03,690 --> 01:49:01,780 you know at 60 years old you know I I 2397 01:49:05,190 --> 01:49:03,700 think this kind of I'm just being very 2398 01:49:06,570 --> 01:49:05,200 vague because we don't you know we're 2399 01:49:08,310 --> 01:49:06,580 getting closer to the end of the show so 2400 01:49:10,830 --> 01:49:08,320 I can't get into things and 2401 01:49:12,150 --> 01:49:10,840 but I do believe that the more you know 2402 01:49:14,060 --> 01:49:12,160 about this kind of stuff 2403 01:49:16,830 --> 01:49:14,070 so the fact that you might have debris 2404 01:49:19,470 --> 01:49:16,840 you know just be careful because you 2405 01:49:21,630 --> 01:49:19,480 know go hide it somewhere I just go hide 2406 01:49:25,260 --> 01:49:21,640 yourself somewhere because I know that 2407 01:49:28,380 --> 01:49:25,270 can be pretty dangerous as well well you 2408 01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:28,390 know going back to the Roswell story 2409 01:49:33,900 --> 01:49:31,810 with the show I mean when we were there 2410 01:49:36,420 --> 01:49:33,910 there were all kinds of strange 2411 01:49:41,090 --> 01:49:36,430 characters you know we're following us 2412 01:49:43,980 --> 01:49:41,100 around the whole time like absolutely 2413 01:49:45,990 --> 01:49:43,990 absolutely I mean yeah and and I 2414 01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:46,000 understand the difference between just 2415 01:49:51,390 --> 01:49:48,690 being paranoid and and actually 2416 01:49:55,680 --> 01:49:51,400 recognizing that okay there's a dude 2417 01:49:58,230 --> 01:49:55,690 following me around but here was one of 2418 01:50:03,150 --> 01:49:58,240 the big moments when we were doing that 2419 01:50:05,340 --> 01:50:03,160 Discovery Channel production the the 2420 01:50:09,630 --> 01:50:05,350 production company had rented out hangar 2421 01:50:12,480 --> 01:50:09,640 84 which was supposedly the first place 2422 01:50:14,540 --> 01:50:12,490 the bodies were brought back to after 2423 01:50:18,750 --> 01:50:14,550 they were retrieved in the field and 2424 01:50:23,970 --> 01:50:18,760 hangar 84 at that time was just a giant 2425 01:50:26,940 --> 01:50:23,980 empty drafty creepy building I mean this 2426 01:50:30,330 --> 01:50:26,950 was November was very cold it was 2427 01:50:32,490 --> 01:50:30,340 extremely windy really dry the wind 2428 01:50:35,790 --> 01:50:32,500 would blow and you'd hear all kinds of 2429 01:50:37,890 --> 01:50:35,800 knocking sounds as you know bits of 2430 01:50:41,100 --> 01:50:37,900 metal were flapping around it was just 2431 01:50:45,480 --> 01:50:41,110 like it was the weird setting and they 2432 01:50:48,210 --> 01:50:45,490 decided to do a seance there to see if 2433 01:50:51,270 --> 01:50:48,220 they could communicate with the spirits 2434 01:50:54,390 --> 01:50:51,280 of the aliens so they had a couple of 2435 01:50:58,080 --> 01:50:54,400 psychics there one named Karen Reef the 2436 01:51:00,690 --> 01:50:58,090 other named Laura Lee and they were to 2437 01:51:04,440 --> 01:51:00,700 lead the seance around this big round 2438 01:51:06,690 --> 01:51:04,450 table and I was again the geeky science 2439 01:51:08,490 --> 01:51:06,700 guy who was there with all of the 2440 01:51:11,250 --> 01:51:08,500 leaders and whatnot see if I could 2441 01:51:14,040 --> 01:51:11,260 measure anything so the whole team got 2442 01:51:17,430 --> 01:51:14,050 around the table and at that time they 2443 01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:17,440 had eight cameramen with high-definition 2444 01:51:21,030 --> 01:51:19,690 cameras now this was back in the day 2445 01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:21,040 when like a high-definition camera 2446 01:51:23,730 --> 01:51:21,970 caught 2447 01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:23,740 a lot of money I mean like probably like 2448 01:51:30,210 --> 01:51:27,610 25 grand the type they're using they had 2449 01:51:32,900 --> 01:51:30,220 a cameraman nice I might be exaggerating 2450 01:51:35,370 --> 01:51:32,910 a little bit but you know we'll say a 2451 01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:35,380 handful but they had a bunch of 2452 01:51:40,860 --> 01:51:37,690 cameramen who were who were gathered 2453 01:51:43,890 --> 01:51:40,870 around this table documenting this from 2454 01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:43,900 multiple angles and one of the cameramen 2455 01:51:52,350 --> 01:51:48,250 was named Bob and right as the seance 2456 01:51:57,480 --> 01:51:52,360 started all of a sudden Bob collapsed 2457 01:51:58,020 --> 01:51:57,490 and his camera went boom you know on the 2458 01:52:01,530 --> 01:51:58,030 ground 2459 01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:01,540 and I guess people who cared about Bob 2460 01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:03,370 rushed to Bob and people who cared about 2461 01:52:12,990 --> 01:52:07,570 the cameras at all crap we just lost 2462 01:52:14,790 --> 01:52:13,000 camera and so um so Bob who'd been a 2463 01:52:16,770 --> 01:52:14,800 real hard worker because you got to 2464 01:52:19,530 --> 01:52:16,780 realize I mean you know how does Connie 2465 01:52:21,870 --> 01:52:19,540 and these guys who who do TV stuff for 2466 01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:21,880 me they're hauling equipment left and 2467 01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:23,530 right I mean they're even these are 2468 01:52:33,420 --> 01:52:26,890 strong tough guys who work long hours 2469 01:52:34,980 --> 01:52:33,430 you know yes so he um he never had a 2470 01:52:36,870 --> 01:52:34,990 problem up at this point 2471 01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:36,880 he stands up he goes man I don't know 2472 01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:38,650 what happened maybe I like my knees I 2473 01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:42,370 just need some fresh air so we took a 2474 01:52:46,980 --> 01:52:44,410 break he went outside he got some fresh 2475 01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:46,990 air I mean we may almost called 911 this 2476 01:52:52,410 --> 01:52:50,050 happened and but he came back and he's 2477 01:52:55,440 --> 01:52:52,420 like I'm fine literally he goes 2478 01:53:00,560 --> 01:52:55,450 seriously I just must have walked - so 2479 01:53:10,410 --> 01:53:07,860 balance then the director Jim castle he 2480 01:53:14,460 --> 01:53:10,420 goes over and he goes okay let's restart 2481 01:53:18,780 --> 01:53:14,470 where we were and he has a monitor there 2482 01:53:21,030 --> 01:53:18,790 and he rewinds the footage back to see 2483 01:53:26,130 --> 01:53:21,040 where we were when this happened now we 2484 01:53:30,570 --> 01:53:26,140 hear a series of foul words come from 2485 01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:30,580 his mouth as in holy holy holy and we 2486 01:53:35,729 --> 01:53:34,090 all rush over there and he says what the 2487 01:53:39,290 --> 01:53:35,739 blank is that 2488 01:53:42,810 --> 01:53:39,300 now here's what we saw on the monitor 2489 01:53:45,390 --> 01:53:42,820 you see the table this is a night-vision 2490 01:53:51,440 --> 01:53:45,400 mind you with all of us sitting around 2491 01:53:56,190 --> 01:53:51,450 it and then all of a sudden this thing 2492 01:53:59,660 --> 01:53:56,200 appears over the table that I can only 2493 01:54:03,660 --> 01:53:59,670 describe to you looking like a 2494 01:54:07,110 --> 01:54:03,670 phantasmal serpent and it slithers 2495 01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:07,120 across the top of the screen and it goes 2496 01:54:17,160 --> 01:54:11,370 right over to Bob and then guess what 2497 01:54:20,340 --> 01:54:17,170 Bob collapses and we we we watched it 2498 01:54:25,110 --> 01:54:20,350 over and over with our jaws dropped and 2499 01:54:26,790 --> 01:54:25,120 awe and after we realized like we can't 2500 01:54:28,830 --> 01:54:26,800 explain what this is that's when we 2501 01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:28,840 moved on to the high five part like 2502 01:54:33,510 --> 01:54:31,570 whatever that was that was cool and you 2503 01:54:36,050 --> 01:54:33,520 know and we're just like when we have 2504 01:54:40,740 --> 01:54:36,060 hit we captured something incredible and 2505 01:54:43,680 --> 01:54:40,750 we saw that show was going to be a huge 2506 01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:43,690 hit just for that scene alone you know 2507 01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:45,370 you watch all these shows and nothing 2508 01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:47,890 that amazing happens that was so 2509 01:54:53,940 --> 01:54:49,930 incredible and so you can imagine when 2510 01:54:57,030 --> 01:54:53,950 we found out that Discovery Channel put 2511 01:55:00,200 --> 01:54:57,040 that show in their vault and said this 2512 01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:00,210 will never be here we thought my god 2513 01:55:05,850 --> 01:55:03,610 it's just another example of how this 2514 01:55:08,010 --> 01:55:05,860 you know the media covers up these 2515 01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:08,020 things and and again I know we're about 2516 01:55:16,740 --> 01:55:12,370 out of time but somewhere out there this 2517 01:55:20,209 --> 01:55:16,750 footage exists I saw it and I hope 2518 01:55:23,880 --> 01:55:20,219 someday it gets exposed to the world 2519 01:55:26,040 --> 01:55:23,890 well that's another show that got away 2520 01:55:28,170 --> 01:55:26,050 and interesting stuff that you spoke 2521 01:55:29,970 --> 01:55:28,180 about the people that did not get all 2522 01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:29,980 the answers if they want it go to Joshua 2523 01:55:34,110 --> 01:55:32,650 P Warren comm you're gonna find out the 2524 01:55:36,590 --> 01:55:34,120 things he was talking about the devices 2525 01:55:40,470 --> 01:55:36,600 that he talked about what they're called 2526 01:55:42,390 --> 01:55:40,480 and of course you'll pricey him on an 2527 01:55:44,220 --> 01:55:42,400 upcoming show you'll probably hear him 2528 01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:44,230 on coast to coast you'll probably hear 2529 01:55:49,350 --> 01:55:46,570 or see him somewhere because he is 2530 01:55:51,870 --> 01:55:49,360 certainly out there all over the place 2531 01:55:55,620 --> 01:55:51,880 if you hear the wishing machine that's 2532 01:55:57,750 --> 01:55:55,630 him and hey catch me on coast to coast 2533 01:56:01,620 --> 01:55:57,760 as well I'm Connie Willis filling in for 2534 01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:03,780 no actually you know he fell from a 2535 01:56:07,710 --> 01:56:05,290 ladder and he's not feeling all that 2536 01:56:09,180 --> 01:56:07,720 well so I got to fill in so you can tune 2537 01:56:11,100 --> 01:56:09,190 into coastal coasts on October 1st 2538 01:56:13,860 --> 01:56:11,110 that's when I'll be back on and also 2539 01:56:15,960 --> 01:56:13,870 tune into blue rock talk.com 2540 01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:15,970 check it out subscribe and that's a new 2541 01:56:19,320 --> 01:56:17,530 thing that I'm doing talking about 2542 01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:19,330 Earth's most interesting conversations 2543 01:56:23,970 --> 01:56:22,090 so we want to hope that Martin's going 2544 01:56:25,470 --> 01:56:23,980 to be better and feel better and I want 2545 01:56:29,070 --> 01:56:25,480 to say thank you very much for inviting 2546 01:56:30,780 --> 01:56:29,080 me to be on Joshua thank you very much 2547 01:56:33,870 --> 01:56:30,790 for being on it's been a great time and 2548 01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:33,880 next week Martin's going to be talking 2549 01:56:37,860 --> 01:56:36,490 about talking to Greg Bishop now what 2550 01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:37,870 Martin always likes to say is keep your 2551 01:56:42,510 --> 01:56:40,330 eyes to the sky and what I'll say is 2552 01:56:45,240 --> 01:56:42,520 Thank You Joshua good night 2553 01:56:47,100 --> 01:56:45,250 Thank You Martin good night and thank